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TAGs get Tactical Awarness

Discussion in 'Access Guide to the Human Sphere' started by Marduck, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. Alfy

    Alfy Well-Known Member

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    Well, I feel the other way round: I’d much rather have an unchanging fluff/meta than have a similar cataclysm happen to my faction.

    Collectibility is a big deal for me, and not getting to play with my toys is something I find deeply unamusing. I understand that shaking things up can be interesting, but when I spend that much money, I expect the shaking to be done thoughtfully and carefully. I don’t feel there was anything thoughtful or careful about Uprising. And if the joke is to take a third of my models away to be replaced with nothing for more than a year, than I don’t find it funny at all. But I will find another game to play.

    I think I’d also be extremely upset if a future book somehow got dedicated to telling me my favorite faction is really a bunch of horrible - and stupid - bastards. I don’t mind playing the bad guys, but there’s gonna be a strict limit on how much I want to know about them. GW-style “...and they killed 3 billion people” is fine, getting the details of each child burned alive in the process is not. People are weird that way. But I’m not sure if CB understands it is not their job to make me dislike the army I’ve already purchased, they seem to think it’s a normal think to do, because “fluff!”.

    I haven’t lost anything with Uprising, heck, I wasn’t even playing then. But I’ve read enough to know I don’t want to see anything like that in a game I’m investing in. I only think I’m ok because I believe CB has learned it’s lesson.
     
  2. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Or you know guys, maybe a happy medium where the fluff changes but it's not a cataclysmic event.

    I guess one person's minor change might still be someone else's cataclysmic event. But hopefully future events will be closer to a balanced approach.
     
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  3. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    See: Me and Saito losing specialist operative. I don't want to flesh out that argument here (because I've done plenty of complaining everywhere else), but in the case of Uprising the timing was the biggest issue. If CB had removed JSA and added IA at the same time, I don't think anyone would have been that bothered. Like, lose some toys, here's some cool new ones.

    In either case, for a change of that scale, the original army should have been left at least for archival purposes until things got back up to pace, or they literally just could have given all the JSA units new chinese names and left them for a while.
     
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  4. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    The problem with all that "lose JSA, gain IA" is the fact IA was going to come anyway, the same that all the other Sectorials for factions that didn't lose anything.
     
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  5. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    And the fact that IA is only about half the size in number of unit options and diversity as JSA was with even fewer actually new units, none of which broke new ground (most of them are technically downgrades of what already existed), meaning Yu Jing is still at a net loss.
     
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  6. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    But we didn't know when it was coming during Uprising! Had CB said, "Don't worry guys, IA will be arriving at GenCon," there would have been a lot less hate&discontent. Would have been even better if IA had been released first (with lots of hints of major unrest in YJ in the fluff), and then the Uprising happen.

    I had really hoped CB would completely ditch everything Japanese from YJ as part of the Uprising, to the level of renaming units like Ninjas and maybe Oniwaban (since YJ really lost out by losing a Superior Infiltrating TO monster) that were going to stay in the faction.

    And it really doesn't help that JSA leaving saw the loss of 11 entire units, not counting characters, while IA only added 6 new units!
     
  7. csjarrat

    csjarrat Well-Known Member
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    Yeah, it stings loosing the functionality of the JSA stuff, I've been playing enough years that the old CB spanglish fluff put me off years ago;I've not bothered with it since.
    I'd love to see some new stuff in invincibles or white banner that can mitigate some of that loss, white banner seems like the best hope to me
     
  8. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    It coming out of left field was pretty interesting. It happened in the middle of B4ckd00r, too, and midway through that they moved all of the JSA players out of Yu JIng and in to NA2, despite saying that they would not do that. And then you had Warcors running around online discussion venues like Facebook deleting articles that discussed it, like ones from GameTrade.
     
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  9. toadchild

    toadchild EI Aspect

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    I can promise you there was no centralized warcor information suppression campaign. Individual people who happen to be warcors may have overreacted, but I would appreciate if you not tar us all with that same brush.
     
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  10. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    /Checks thread title...
    /Double-checks thread title
     
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  11. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    What's that law? Godwin's? I feel like there should be one for uprising as it relates to infinity discussions.
     
  12. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Maybe that tells us all (and CB) about how much of a clusterfuck Uprising was
     
  13. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    If it hasn't gotten through in a year and half it won't ever.
     
  14. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    A thing CB perhaps should have considered more carefully.
     
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  15. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    I didn't say it was all WarCors, just that it was WarCors who were doing it.
     
  16. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Not really. It's normally the same handful of people.
     
  17. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    I think it's fair to suggest that Yu Jing get its third sectorial (that it can actually keep this time) before any of the other major factions get a fourth (or fifth!).

    And then after White Banner, which would be the most natural and expected expansion, I want me some Yu Jing Naval sectorial. Mostly because the Haidao is cool enough that it demands a proper core.
     
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  18. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    "A handful of people" describes representation of the affected group on this forum, so I'm not sure what do you folks expect.
     
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  19. chromedog

    chromedog Less than significant minion

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    Sure would be nice if this thread could get back on topic. WTF does all of this continued whining about YJ got to do with "TAGs get tactical awareness", anyway? Srsly, a Pratt&Whitney jet engine factory whines less.

    I've a feeling it shouldn't have taken that left hand turn back in Albuquerque ...
     
  20. Alfy

    Alfy Well-Known Member

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    And here’s what shocks me most: how some in the community seem almost gleeful in taking the piss of those who are unhappy with the situation. I see this now, I saw that all the way in some of the immediate discussions after Uprising. I mean, it’s fine to ask for the thread to get back on tracks, but the poor attempt at deprecating humour en passant is really not.