I'm really looking forward to see what happens, all the factions need a good rebalance as per usual for an edition change and that'll give us a right good shake down of the meta. There's a lot of complexity that could be stripped out for little loss. Genuinely exciting times :-)
But are we ready to face all the whines (justified or not) from people seeing their favourite unit changed? I'm always confident regarding changes in rules, and I do trust CB to do a good job. But changes are widely negatively received, specially on forums where unhappy people are free to express their ideas while happy people remain silent most of the time. I'm not telling people shouldn't complain, and I don't think CB will do a shitty work - I am indeed quite enthusiastic with the N4. But I fear a bit to face double the amount of salt Uprising brought upon the forum. Let's hope this won't be the case! =)
So long as no more factions get split off we should be good. Most units in the game have got a use, there's just a few outlying units that need tweaking and a bit of internal and external balance to adjust
Agreed. 90% of the Uprising salt was that it was atrociously written. 10% was that Yu Jing lost specific capabilities with still no good replacement (Oniwaban, Shikami, Aragoto). Now, if Military Orders got split off from PanO (theoretically possible, but unlikely), that would probably see as much salt as Uprising.
I just thought of MO and Bakunin's Observance spinning off to make a religous fanatic faction and I almost threw up. Fortunately that'd be to close to O-12 mechanically so it'd never happen. I could see MO becoming an NA2 faction but after Uprising I doubt CB has the balls to do that again so soon.
Yeah that's not a faction I play or have much of in my meta, are many people using much MO stuff in vanilla? Would there be a big drop in function like there was in YJ?
I wouldn't doubt that for a second, but hopefully next time they feel they need to they'll do it properly so people are aware that a product they might buy is changing well enough ahead of time. They aren't big over here, either. MO seems more like a gateway drug than the real stuff of Infinity, but I imagine Pan-O would miss Jeanne and maybe DeFersen.
Fluff-wise, it cannot happen. The Observance split off from the ecumenical Christian Churches after the ecumenicals decided to go with the AI. The Observance sees Aleph as the AntiChrist or maybe even Satan Incarnate. However, the SpacePope could declare a Crusade to get rid of the Combined Army, which would give a reasonable fluff-excuse for CB to split MO out into NA2. Though CB has not given as much notice of that as they did with JSA seceding.
Really, that's not what I witnessed. I joined this forum right after most of Uprising anger decreased (and started playing Yu-Jing like a few weeks before Uprising took place, with no JSA models lost in the process) - still today you can see most of the people complaining they lost this or those models with no replacement... Then what guys? The meta changed, I get that you might not like it but just suck it up at some point. As I said, I lost almost nothing in Uprising but I lived that with other games - I'd be happy to trade a cataclysm like this each year versus a non-moving fluff/meta. But my point wasn't to revive old pains and troll on the fact that people can't deal with reactance, sorry. I just wanted to highlight that whatever the quality of the incoming N4, we'll see more negative comments than positive ones. And it's normal: once you've pointed to all good things everybody agree on, there is nothing more to discuss than pain points / grudges. I just hope I won't get tilted by what I foresee as a difficult time to come. And if tilted, I will just move back from the forums a couple of months and just focus on my local meta until it settles down... For now, I should work on next online campaign instead of being the worst doomsayer the world has known anyway. ;)
Hey old timers! Time to chime in! Was the forums truly flooded with unusual amounts of negative reactions when going from N2 to N3? It sure as hell wasn't for HSN2 to HSN3. My experience with edition shifts is that it doesn't tend to victimize a subsection of players, instead it shakes up the entire game which makes reactions a lot more wide-spectrum and nuanced. The worst that can happen is that they only go for maintenance edition, the kind of edition change that other gaming companies does as an N3.5 or a "Release 2" or similar.
I do remember some complaints, mostly from people who didn't like the shift from "max realism" to "max gameplay". That's really what I'm hoping for. N1 to N2 was really a maintenance change, very few outright rules changes but a lot of FAQs incorporated into the rules. WarmaHordes would have called that 'Reloaded'.
Well, yeah. You are still seeing what I called the 10% complaining about lost capabilities, now that (most of) the anger about the writing has burned out. But there was a lot more anger about the writing than about losing things, IMO.
Yes. People will always complain. Its up there with death and taxes as one of the immutable laws of humankind.
Yeah I'd say so. Its hard to compare after uprising raised the bar, and I also think part of it is more people playing the game.
I feel the need to say that I don't care to much about the fluff, my main issue with that was the Hero units getting jailed and then getting a order buff.
N2 to N3 was overwhelmingly positive in my local meta, beyond our first few icestorm games missing the fact that the removal of orders via command tokens could ONLY happen in the first turn....not...every turn. Whoops :D Hoping that N4 will be a similarly big QoL change that opens up design space
Yeah and I've not met anyone yet who got into that plot line. Hopefully future events are a bit better thought out
