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TAGs get Tactical Awarness

Discussion in 'Access Guide to the Human Sphere' started by Marduck, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. Marduck

    Marduck Well-Known Member

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    So Infinity army just got updated. TAG get tactical awarness which seems nice.

    But some also got a point increase. Gecko and Anaconda just got more expensive. I think that more expensive TAG like Cutter Tikbalang and Avatar didn't change.

    Thoughts about that ? An Overdron or Gecko FT just seems like a better idea all the suden.


    PS : seriously, a point increase on the Anaconda CB ? Do you see a lot of Anaconda spam in the data ? They really need to get more feedback from the players before to decide that kind of things.
     
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  2. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    Yeah, I'm honestly a bit concerned by the decision making process that decided an extra order on an Anaconda was worth 4pts whereas an extra order on an Avatar or Marut was fine for free.

    I assume it was a blanket thing where any TAG under a certain points cost was hiked to limit the relative impact of free orders in larger lists, but cheaper TAGs were almost universally (and perhaps unusually) weaker. Scarface, Geckos, Xeodrons and Overdrons catching a points increase honestly seems unusual.
     
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  3. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Also all TAGs got FATALITY 1, so I assume they decided to move it from the ITS book.

    It seems the Geckos, Xeodrons, Overdrons and Anaconda got a points increase.

    No PanO, Aleph, or expensive CA tags have seen a cost increase.

    On the other hand, the Tohaa Diplomat is now a Journalist L1, and Dr Worm got a -1pt SMG Journalist 1 profile, while the Tensho got Journalist 1 too.
     
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  4. Marduck

    Marduck Well-Known Member

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    I imagine him taking selfies of his vacation on a the beach with all the corpses around ... but he can't because he doesn't have a long enough arm :D
     
  5. SKOZZOKONZ

    SKOZZOKONZ Well-Known Member

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    I feel like all this is going to do is increase the disparity between tags that are good already and those that are not. One extra order is nice but its nicer when you can use it to go back into TO orwhatever.
     
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  6. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    The tail has its uses. And he always has his wormettes!
     
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  7. SpectralOwl

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    On the bright side, this is basically a straight upgrade for Limited Insertion MRRF, and as far as I can tell since Tactical Awareness Irregular Orders aren't part of an order pool at all they shouldn't be affected by Jammers or Oblivion, giving TAGs just a bit more power against those threats.
    As much as I wish they didn't, selfie sticks exist, so he should be able to handle his photography just fine.
     
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  8. MATRAKA14

    MATRAKA14 Well-Known Member

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    The point increase of the anaconda is out of place.
     
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  9. SpectralOwl

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    Only because they didn't give Tac Aware to the Operator (probably should have a minor discount for that); I've found the Anaconda to be absolutely worth its cost in the past and an extra order for 4 points is quite cheap. Again, might be biased as I played MRRF and the Anaconda fills a lot of holes there, unlike in NA2.
     
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  10. Vaulsc

    Vaulsc Well-Known Member

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    CB do a lot of things right, and we should give them a lot of respect and applause.

    This was not one of those times :)

    I know a lot of you were thinking it.
     
  11. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    All tags below 75 points got their points up, even some from CA. But that decission seems more arbitrary to not afect their Mary Sue than looking for balance. I like the base idea, but not how CB put it in the game.

    Aa always, there are some that get the good portion of the pie, and those are always the same
     
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  12. Marduck

    Marduck Well-Known Member

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    I think it would have been a great idea without the point cost increase.

    From a casual player perspective it makes more sense to increase the point on the cheaper tag to avoid spam.

    But an experience player know that cheap tag spam is far from being a game winning strategy. Actually having these cheap tag give another order for free would have make them more interesting. Big tag like cutter, avatar or marut already have their utility without that buff.

    There are very few things I'm sure of or absolute in infinity, but this time I'm pretty sure it is mistake from a game balance perspective ...
     
  13. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Patch after patch, bandaid after bandaid, CB keeps piling on additional individual rules trying to solve general base game problems while the game becomes a hulking Frankenstein of special snowflakes and exceptions to the rules. How much longer till it dies crushed under its own weight?
     
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  14. deep-green-x

    deep-green-x Well-Known Member

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    Since N4 is Summer 2020, 9 months I guess?
     
  15. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    I would love if all these problems would get solved with N4, but I don't really have any faith
     
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    deep-green-x Well-Known Member

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    Zewrath Nordic Master

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    This really fucks over much of Onyx's list building.
     
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  18. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    I think it's a great addition overall and that the cheaper TAGs were definitely the most usable ones that didn't really need a buff for the same cost. Like, Geckos are still better than before and they were already good, Lizard is certainly better than before but it wasn't already particularly inspiring.
     
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  19. Kreslack

    Kreslack See you Space Cowboy...

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    40k managed it for like 2 decades, before having to take out the heavy handed hedge trimmers.
     
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  20. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    My only fear with this bandaid is that TAGs that were mediocre will still be comparatively mediocre while TAGs that were good might result in a heavy-handed roll-back. Hopefully it'll not result in a skyrocket of AHDs in our meta...
     
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