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Su Jian, our champion against CA?

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by TemporalDistortion, Oct 28, 2020.

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  1. TemporalDistortion

    TemporalDistortion New Member

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    So I noticed today that the Su-Jian has no cube... was this intentional design or accidental omission?
    At first I thought it might be remote presence that helped but Most other Remote presence units do still have cubes, so I dont think it's that...

    It certainly makes me consider bringing this beloved battle cat to face down all the Avatars running about!
     
  2. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Remote Presence units do not have Cubes. Betatroopers do not, Karakuri do not, Cutters do not, Wu Ming do not (get it "remote presence" as in remote presence of a detonation device hehe...), Rui Shi do not, Dakini do not, and so on.
     
  3. Willen

    Willen Well-Known Member

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    Although the SuJian is certainly a great tool against CA (and any army!) it is Remote Presence. No Remote Presence trooper has Cube.
     
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  4. fatherboxx

    fatherboxx Mission control, I'm coming home.

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    Sepsitor is the least scary thing about Avatar
    But if you are really concerned, you can fairly easily build a sepsitor-proof list in ISS with Wu Mings and Kuang Shi and have LT guarded by a hacker or madtraps
     
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  5. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Monks are more useful against the Avatar than the Su Jian tbh. Just stick a Monk on the Avatar it's not going anywhere after that.
     
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    Willen Well-Known Member

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    That is one optimal trade LOL
     
  7. TemporalDistortion

    TemporalDistortion New Member

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    Ah!

    For some reason the units I compared it with I thought were remote but weren't actually.. so my initial assumption was correct

    Thanks for the tips all!

    I feel more confident in my ability to counter sepistor plays now
     
  8. Zewrath

    Zewrath Nordic Master

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    CA Player: "I will attempt to Dodge away from Engaged"

    Monk:
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  9. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    A more universal solution to an Avatar is a Bounty Hunter (needs smoke or ZoC tickling, though). Or a REM Driven CC22 Chaiyi.
    Those Para CCWs man...
     
  10. JudgeDee7

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    The Su-Jian will ignore its sepsitor but may have trouble against ARM 9 or ARM 12 in cover with a mere spitfire. Imagine only being able to hurt your opponent with your expensive active-turn piece if they roll 1s or 2s on a D20 on 3 wounds (along with a -6 visual mod). Don't think a Su-Jian would really scratch the paint of an Avatar.
     
  11. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Spitfire? Screw that. It's all about that B3 Damage 16 HSG.
     
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  12. JudgeDee7

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    The main issue I see with the HSG is that when using it you're leaving yourself open to get hit for free by your opponent. I feel this is good on cheap units that can trade up easily but it doesn't seem very efficient on a 50 point active turn piece.
     
  13. SpectralOwl

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    You can use it in AP mode instead of Template. And even Template mode is decently safe when you're ARM 8 in cover with effective 3W.
     
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  14. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Also, the HSG Su Jian is a missile. Run him into the enemy backline while shrugging off enemy blows, ruin his squishy backline or prized piece, and then leave him in a frustrating position just daring your opponent to deal with him.

    There's no room for fear with all that glory to claim.
     
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  15. Joametz

    Joametz Chinese Empire in Space enthusiast

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    I have a natural aversion to costly troops without SWC weapons, but Sussy HSG seems to be legit.
     
  16. JudgeDee7

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    True, I didn't take that into account at first. The only issue is getting close enough, but the Su-Jian does have its 8-2 movement option. Maybe this profile is something to consider for dealing with things like -6 Mimetism TAGs.
     
  17. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    8-4. The Su Jian is functionally an 8-4 model if you're MOV-MOV ordering so long as you don't need to use C+. You use transmutation to get the 4" move off the combat form in the second half of the order.
     
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    Surmelk Well-Known Member

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    can you change between the short skills ? Wasnt allowed in N3, but after reading the N4 rules it seems so ?
     
  19. JudgeDee7

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    Ahh yeah, I was actually going to ask about that. As far as I can tell from reading the rules for Transmutation, you can choose a new form at the beginning of each movement skill, so you can indeed make an 8-4 movement if you choose to MOV-MOV.
     
  20. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    You could change in N3. It just never added any movement because the profiles both had 2 for their second MOV value.
     
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