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Starting with Pano

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by AlitarSemiramis, Oct 4, 2019.

  1. AlitarSemiramis

    AlitarSemiramis New Member

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    Hi!

    I just started with Infinity, and I'm trying to build my first 300pt list with Pano, but I'm pretty lost. I know I want a TAG as my center offensive piece, but I'm not very clear on how to support it properly. My main opponent plays USAriadna if that helps.

    Any ideas, tips, example lists? Thanks!
     
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    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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  3. Arkaon1125

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    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    Tags to 200pts are hard to include, but still you can try the Tikbakang or the Seraph, even the Squalo or the Dragao, even playing sectorial in Neoterra can fix an Ulano. But all your force will be in the TAG.

    This could be something you can play to 200 pts with a TAG


    PanOceania
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    [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    KAMAU HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 28)
    AUXILIA Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

    3.5 SWC | 200 Points

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    Best regards!!!
     
  5. Arkaon1125

    Arkaon1125 Active Member

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    Thanks! I'll try to keep an eye on this.
    Another question, what's the point on having palbots for the Machinist? I've read the rules but maybe i'm missing something.
     
  6. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    It is as your machinist stay in two places at the same time... :) You can place the machinist in one spot more or less secure and you only put in danger the "palbot". You can use the "machinist" hability to fix things with the little robot as it were the the machinist himself. Remember you can attach many palbots as you wish until disponibility. In vainilla is two.
     
  7. Arkaon1125

    Arkaon1125 Active Member

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    Now i Fully understand the potential :) Tanks! I'm tryng to use a decent Tag into MO at 200 but is like impossible... why they remove the possibility of OS to be Lieutenant?
     
  8. Seraphin

    Seraphin Well-Known Member

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    They have never been able to be lieutenant. MO had Fusiliers back then with possibility to be cheap LT for 10 points.
     
  9. Arkaon1125

    Arkaon1125 Active Member

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    Yes sorry (i playe before the change of the fusilier) and i remembered a cheap option as lieutenant
     
  10. Domino25

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    I am by no means an expert, but at 200 points with a Tag you are probably better off in Vanilla. Fireteams are the real advantage of a sectorial which you're probably not going to leverage well with the remaining points. Vanilla has better lieutenant options, Cheaper/ higher ava cheerleaders and if you pick Joan as your lieutenant you can bring a helot and a monstrucker on top of the warcor/Techbee combo to help fill out you list. I'd probably suggest using the 9 point helot in Decoy as it will at least give your paper thin cheer squad the appearance of defense. As Bonus, a 10 order Joan list with a tag plays closer to 12 orders as you have tactical awareness & a free coordinated order from inspiring leadership. For Example:

    PanOceania
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    [​IMG]6 [​IMG]4
    MONSTRUCKER Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    HELOT MILITIAMAN Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 9)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (+1 | 49)
    FUSILIER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
    3 SWC | 200 Points
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    Or if you want to brave not having a hacker

    PanOceania
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    [​IMG]6 [​IMG]4
    MONSTRUCKER Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    HELOT MILITIAMAN Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 9)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 51)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    FUSILIER Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    3.5 SWC | 199 Points
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    andre61 Well-Known Member

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    The Jotum!
     
  12. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    200 points?

    Vanilla?

    Something like this might be effective:

    PanOceania
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    [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    BULLETEER Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 23)
    TIKBALANG HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / AP CCW. (2 | 85)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

    4 SWC | 199 Points

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  13. AlitarSemiramis

    AlitarSemiramis New Member

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    Thanks a lot for the article! I think I got a better idea of what to do now. I put this list together, do you think it is going the right direction?

    PanOceania
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    TIKBALANG HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / AP CCW. (2 | 85)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    AUXILIA Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    BOUNTY HUNTER Sniper Rifle / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    NISSE Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 38)
    MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    ORC HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 44)
    BAGH-MARI Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 22)
    CROC MAN Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    6 SWC | 298 Points
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    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    Key things I'd consider here are:

    1 - The PalBots for the Doctor and Engineer are very valuable. They increase the speed, reach and survivability of two of your key support pieces far beyond their cost.

    2 - The Bounty Hunter Sniper has been totally replaced in the role described in the article by the Helot. Don't take the former 'till you've already got the latter.

    3 - The Nisse Hacker is a great all-rounder piece for specialist Classified scenarios where you need broad capabilities on units, but it's not worth taking for a list like this. The 18 pt Fusilier is far better for what you need here.

    4 - The Bagh-Mari is a useful cheap support piece ('though the Kamau HMG likely is better for the points overall in that role) but not as a Lt. Take a pair of Fusiliers for more orders and better protection (and less SWC) for a lower cost.

    5 - Leave the solo ORC HMG for Sectorials (like Varuna) which don't have better options. In a TAG primary list you are better off considering the likes of the Bulleteer or Kamau HMG for backup firepower.

    Last, but not least, you need to buy 2-3 boxes of DroneBot Remotes as soon as you can. The Fugazi and Pathfinder are cornerstones of good PanOceanian play. You'll want to field a Sierra or two sooner rather than later as well.
     
  15. AlitarSemiramis

    AlitarSemiramis New Member

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    Thanks! I've re-read the article and this, and come with the following. I'm a little lost in a few things:

    - Do I need both hackers?
    - Do I have enough units to deal with CH, smoke and mines?
    - Is there any preferred way of splitting units? Maybe put the Kamau HMG into the second group so I use it more offensively?
    - I don't have a lot of people with CH: TO, but I couldn't figure out a way to have the points to put something like Croc Men in.

    TAG List
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    TIKBALANG HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / AP CCW. (2 | 85)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    KAMAU HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 28)
    FUSILIER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
    HEXA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 27)
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2
    HELOT MILITIAMAN MULTI Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 17)
    AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    AUXILIA Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    5.5 SWC | 300 Points
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    1: They are both useful, keep them if you can.

    2: You probably have as much to help with that as you are going to get in this kind of build.

    3: I'd usually suggest that you have an attack option in Group 2, but in this case I think you would be better off with the two Hackers in there (swap them for the Auxilia) making it a pure support group.

    4: You can't do everything in every list. That is the fastest way to screw up a Vanilla list. Don't try to run lots of TO with a TAG.

    Now, if you are going to upgrade your Helot (and it's not a terrible place to spend some SWC for a list like this) then go for the Red Fury. It's going to give you the best edge when you drop your surprise. And it will be enough for you to upgrade that MuleBot to a second Fusilier (so your opponent has to guess who your Lt is).

    Do that, and you have a solid list to play with. Get out there and play some games.
     
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  17. AlitarSemiramis

    AlitarSemiramis New Member

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    Thanks a lot for the great advice! Another question if you don't mind: to run a TAG list, is it vanilla the best option, or better go for a sectorial? I don't think I have enough people to make a fire team, but not sure if I'm missing something else here.
     
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    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    Both can be solid.

    For example, here is a list I've been running regularly with a Tikbalang in it for Acontecimento:

    Acon Tik
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    TIKBALANG HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / AP CCW. (2 | 85)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    REGULAR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    BAGH-MARI (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]2
    BAGH-MARI HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 26)
    MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    6 SWC | 300 Points
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    You've got a solid defensive Fireteam with good mine defense. This is going to offer an outstanding starting position for your TAG to fight from, a very difficult defensive position for your opponent to crack to get to your key piece.

    It's also got a great order base, good backup combat option, solid support. It doesn't have a regular Hacker, which I'd prefer to have available (and is a sacrifice you are making from Vanilla) but overall this has worked very well for me and I've run variants of it for a little over a year to great success.

    As an example of how I might build a Cutter list today (and the kind of list I'll include when I update the article) in Vanilla would be:

    Example Cutter
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
    AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    CUTTER MULTI HMG / . (2.5 | 115)
    [​IMG] CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]3
    PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    HELOT MILITIAMAN Red Fury / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 14)
    TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    5 SWC | 300 Points
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    I'm consciously sacrificing a backup attack piece in return for better support. I also don't have the Killer Hacker. But what I do have is a premium TAG which won't be vulnerable to alpha strike plays at all and a solid bunker of orders and support to fight it from.
     
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    I'am really agree with what @AdmiralJCJF said, his examples are really good. Both, Vainilla or Sectorial have advantages and disavantages. To me Sectorials allow a better defense of our "main piece aka the TAG", but in order to do this we are required most of the time to include a five members fireteam, so we will have only a few spots in our list to others troups/profiles plus we will have to place 5 miniatures in a close space, so our chances to cover a big surface of our deployment area aren't so good. In Vainilla we can include more options and we can allow us a wider deployment, for example.
     
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    AlitarSemiramis New Member

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    Thank you so much to both of you. And thanks a lot for the Cutter list, it looks great (and I really like the Cutter too), so very appreciated. Now time to get the minis and get some games :)
     
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