Didn't we conclude during earlier debates that declaring BS Attack with Smoke Grenades is an attack, but the resulting effect is not an attack? Basically, you can not declare it while Stunned because you can't declare attacks when stunned and it won't trigger Sixth Sense because the enemy with Sixth Sense isn't affected by an attack.
No, it's not "quite clear." The phrase you quoted is a conditional phrase that would presumably reference back to a statement in the "special dodge" section that states unconditionally that using smoke ammunition doesn't count as an attack; there is no such phrase. I'm going with the phrase you quoted being an editing relict.
You know that if you treat Smoke Grenades as having the Attack keyword, you cannot place them with one of your own models (or a civvie/HVT) inside the template, right?
FAQ is not an errata just because it serve your point The RAW already contained every information so you could use smoke on a friendly trooper (hint "not an attack"), the FAQ only confirmed that (the same way it confirmed you could dodge ARO without an attack). Both the attack label on BS attack and the attack key word in "not an attack" (from smoke padge) link to the label part of the skill page were it's written : "Attack. The use of this Skill is a form of Attack. Remember that you cannot declare attacks against allies or Neutral units, whether represented by figures or Markers." So RAW are : smoke is "not an attack" => written in the rules (see wiki " it is a Special Dodge and not an Attack.") => Yes it is burried in a subsection, but it won't be the first time CB put a key point in a subsection or example instead of the main paragraph BS attack using smoke smoke can target friendly trooper (as confirmed by FAQ) the "attack" label of BS attack says specifically that it prevent declaration against allies (see quote from the wiki above) Conclusion : RAW is : a BS attack using smoke has no attack label
At the moment, FAQs do errata. We all know it is wrong, but is how CB has worked until now. They are starting to change it, but there are still a lot of those "FAQ that change rules"
What the FAQ answered was in reality a question regarding Nimbus grenades, which have no native way of targeting a spot occupied by a non-Enemy. Thatslikeyouropinion.jpg Just because it's buried deeper than it should doesn't make it nonsensical nor improper. They do need to clear up whether you the skill declaration still has the attack label, though.
I mean it's just grammar. There's a phrase which uses the fact that Smoke Ammunition isn't an attack as a justification for another idea. But nowhere is it actually stated that using Smoke Ammo doesn't count as an attack.
That sum up the 2 previous arguments against BS attack with smoke not having the attack label : "RAW says something I don't agree on so that's my opinion they are not relevant" I agree with you that CB should clear it up even if it's written in the rules (including consequences of the presence/absence of attack label) but my hope are not high
RAW doesn't actually say that, mostly due to being a poorly edited mess. Did they intend it? Who knows?
RAW says "it is a Special Dodge and not an Attack.". Your opinion is "it's a mistake and they forgot to edit it out". Others says "its written in the speculative fire paragraph so doesn't apply to every thing" It doesn't change the fact that it is written in the RAW. You can argue RAI but that won't change what is written.
He didn't, but he could've elaborated. There is an FAQ entry that says that AOE effects which causes no damage can be placed on friendly units, regardless of an attack label. In other words, Nimbus on friends is okay. N3 Frequently Asked Question FAQ Version: 1.3, Oct 2017 Q: Can weapons with the Impact Template Trait and no value in the damage attribute be fired with allied troopes in their area of effect? For example, a Smoke Grenade, an Eclipse Grenade or a Nimbus Grenade. A: Yes. Related Pages: Eclipse, Impact Template Weapon, Nimbus, Smoke
@Mahtamori as you probably know, this ruling I mean faq opened a can of worms. What happens if a friendly trooper is hit by an attack outside of close combat? Do they have to make a guts roll? Can they autofail the roll and move 2” without provoking an ARO?
No, I don't know, because there is only so far I'm willing to drive the rules as written along a path of absurdity, even in a forum argument. This is far enough along that I'd simply make note of it and move on, because it's so extremely obvious that it is unintentional behaviour. He most likely means when a friendly trooper is covered by a Nimbus template which technically means they are affected by an attack that doesn't provoke an ARM or BTS roll, because unlike Smoke or Eclipse, Nimbus is an attack.
