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Sooo.... what's gonna be in Svalarheima?

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Mikes, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Tripods.
    Tohaa Tripods.
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  2. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Would make a sense as justification to kill Hosp+Mag in MO.
     
  3. Judge Dredd

    Judge Dredd Well-Known Member

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    I mean, it's likely going to be the line troops plus HI that's pretty standard at very least. I dont know if they would make them a wildcard or something like that. DeFerson wildcard would be interesting though.
     
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  4. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    I would love to see Fusi + Hospitallers, but would hate to see Fusi + Nisse. (From a game balance perspective)
    Though, I think a distant from super strong link teams would be an interesting design take on Sval. Maybe more of a focus on loner units with mobility skills. I would imagine it's tough to keep up with a team if you're traversing snowy mountains and frozen lakes.
     
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  5. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    If fusi+kamau exist, probably Fusi+nisse will exist
     
  6. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Fusi + Kamau MSR is fine. Fusi + Nisse MSR is fine. Fusi + Nisse HMG is not fine.
     
  7. Judge Dredd

    Judge Dredd Well-Known Member

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    I want to hear the blood curdling screams from Yu Jing though.
     
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  8. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    I mostly agree, but Svalarheima will be an N4 only sectorial, so this assumes Fireteams, Visors, etc, are unchanged with the new edition.
     
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  9. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Yes, of course – this comes with the huge asterisk that link rules mostly remain the same.
     
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  10. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant
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    I'll be interested to see if that line gets crossed.

    We have BS13 + Mimetism in a link.

    We have BS12 + Mimetism + MSV1 in a link.

    But I agree that MSV2 seems like a step too far.

    Before the VIRD drop, I assumed that Kamau would be full Core with a cheap filler profile (SMG or boarding shotgun.) Wildcard and mixed links with line troops didn't seem possible for PanO.

    But now... Who knows. I'd be happy to see CB make Sval strong in a different way. I think that the meta has adapted to mixed links now. I'm much, much more aware of VIRD's tactical limitations, now that players have a good handle on how to remove or play around the Kamau MSV2. So I'd love it if Svalarheima was competitive in a different way.
     
  11. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Why is MSV2 +MSR in link ok, but not MSV2 HMG not ?
     
  12. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Active turn burst?
    in combo with not losing much in the reactive versus an MSR?
     
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  13. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant
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    I don't mind a linked MSV2 HMG in a list. I don't mind a linked MSV2 Sniper in a list.

    But when you combine them both, and have both in the same list, you get both active and ARO firepower that ignores a lot of game mechanics that other armies rely on. Strong players can certainly overcome it, but it feels like a very tired mechanic to rely on. It's one more negative experience for the rest of the community to latch on to, and as someone who competed with PanO before VIRD was hot, I get tired of it. I think that, creatively, Svalarheima can offer more than "super high BS + Mimetism + Visor".

    I agree with @MikeTheScrivener
    Burst 3 MSR vs Burst 5 HMG is pretty different as an active turn threat.
     
  14. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    wild idea... because Aquilas wear coats, like nisses, they will be in SWF?
     
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  15. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    While a fun idea, Aquila are distinctly neoterran, recruited from a cream-of-the-crop group of students from prestigious military academies located on Neoterra.

    I do hope we get more cool looking greatcoat troopers though.*

    *EDIT: that aren't just nazis.
     
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  16. Sedral

    Sedral Invincible Officier

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    All you'll hear is the muffled sound of your fusilliers's bodies dropping in the snow, as you realize way too late that 2 daofeis are rampaging in your backline.

    Svalarheima will potentially host the most powerful active turn firepower in the game with the nisse HMG in a 5-man team, but make no mistake, white banner also has the potential to be the most brutal skirmishing faction to date.

    I don't want to sound too negative, but I hope those 2 sectorials will be released to showcase N4 rule changes, and that those changes will be quite drastic, because there's a lot of potential for power creep here and I don't like it.
     
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  17. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant
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    Daofei + Guilang + Shaolin + (maybe) Hac Tao does make linkable MSV2 HMGs very useful...

    It also make me wonder what kind of zone defense/area denial will be available to Winter Force. VIRD gave us an extreme example of multiple defensive tools, so I'm curious to see where Svalarheima falls in relation to VIRD. It would be nice to get some mines/minelayer on the table.
     
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  18. Judge Dredd

    Judge Dredd Well-Known Member

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    Ambush camo with mines!
     
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  19. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    That would be pleasing...
     
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  20. archon

    archon Well-Known Member

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    That would be powerful and easy but we already have a BS12(15) B5 MSV2 Spitfire that can be buffed with MMS2 in a cheap 5-link. Yes that is not BS 13 HMG but very close. And we have Sheeskin in a five-link.

    Maybe Nisses are Haris only.
     
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