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[SOLVED] Cadmus and open information

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Rift, Oct 16, 2019.

  1. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    You are welcome to do that, in the worst case scenario you are disclosing something you are not supposed to disclose.

    But if you read the Seed-Embryo rules, you,ll find that it make the unit a marker (seed-embryo state is a marker state). upload_2019-10-18_9-2-2.png

    And every marker state, as pointed out in the yellow box, make private the info of what it hides.

    I agree that it could be clearer (like spelled out also in the STATE page), but it is all there to read.
     
  2. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    Please show me the rule that says every marker state hides information and I'll happily retract everything I said.
     
  3. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    Re-read what you quoted.
    "as pointed out in the yellow box".
     
  4. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    That's a yellow box directly quoted from the Seed-Embryo rule!
     
  5. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    It doesn’t say that Seeds hide stuff. At best it implies it.
     
  6. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Yeah. That's what I said, and what you quoted.
     
  7. toadchild

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    Right, which is how we get back to me saying I'm not really convinced.

    Anyway, I'll be done with this thread now; I'm not going to turn this into a hill I'm choosing to die on. I think the OP got the answer they were looking for.
     
  8. HellLois

    HellLois What the Hell...Lois?
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    Thats correct.

    So a deployed Seed that has no Camouflage or TO should be described as Public Information.
     
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  9. HellLois

    HellLois What the Hell...Lois?
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    That yellow box refears to camo markers
     
  10. Andre82

    Andre82 Well-Known Member

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    And just to make sure I am not crazy, The Cadmus would not be landing in camo state.
     
  11. HellLois

    HellLois What the Hell...Lois?
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    the Cadmus dont have the Special Skill Camouflage.
    [​IMG]
     
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  12. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Wiki pages updated to move the yellow box into the Seed-Embryo and Camouflage and Hiding (CH) section.
     
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  13. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Hoping to an answer to the subsequent question of the Cadmus being hackable while in the Cadmus-Seed "marker/state" (since the hacking device, if carried, is active enough to need to be revealed)
     
  14. Gunmage

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    Pretty sure that it was already answered (in ijw's post about Chest Mines) - Cadmus-Seed and Cadmus-Developed carry different equipment, so Seed is not a Hacker and cannot be Hacked (or use hacks), same as it can't shoot Developed form's BS or attack with its knife in CC.
     
  15. solkan

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    It's probably really important to remember the difference between Hatch and Autohatch, when discussing equipment and what the trooper is doing:

    • Regarding Autohatch, the cancellation of Seed-Embryo state is applied to the whole declared Order. So, if a trooper in Seed-Embryo state declares an Autohatch + Move Order, her Developed Form Troop Profile will be applied for the whole Order.
    • Regarding Hatch, cancellation of the Seed-Embryo state is applied in the Conclusion of the Order, applying the Developed Form Troop Profile in subsequent Orders.
    BS Attack (Chest Mines)+Autohatch is going to create one of the rare cases where a BS Attack becomes invalid a step or two after it was declared.

    Disclaimer: Berserk vs. a seed is weird, the seed uses different ARM values in the active and reactive turns.
     
  16. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Autohatch must be declared first, so this can't happen.
     
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  17. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Huh?
     
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  18. DustGod

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    Can I get a summary on the final Anwser here...?
    I drop a Cadmus and it's 2 Decoy Seeds
    This is Strictly referring to the Cadmus
    1. While it's in Seed Embryo State what is open information?
    2. Does Any part of being in a Seed Embryo State allow for surprise Attack?
     
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  19. Rift

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    As i understand, the ruling is

    cadmus seed drop, you disclose all info..."yes, that is a hacker in that seed armed with a boarding shotgun"

    I believe you get surprise attack from being in decoy state
     
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  20. DustGod

    DustGod Well-Known Member

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    Smh...
    So now you have to specify what seed it is too... Wtf? If that's true Fuck taking Cadmus
     
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