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So O12 Landed

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by eciu, Aug 1, 2019.

  1. toadchild

    toadchild EI Aspect
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    The Hexa's price has never made any sense compared to the Noctifer, anyway. If you ignore the Hexa and compare Noctifer to Lynx it looks more reasonable.
     
  2. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    I'll show myself out.

    Chopper on Nisses.jpg
     
  3. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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  4. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    Goldstein is an lhost. Delta is not.
     
  5. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    Wait, what? When are nisse's not used in Generic Pano. Do we have another cheap MSV 2 with HMG? And Hexa use to be our only killer hacker but now with more options that opens up using Hexa as snipers in generic Pano.

    They are still popular units. I guess the real issue is less people play Generic Pano than one of the sectorials.
     
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  6. Quehacesfede

    Quehacesfede Professional Catastrophiser

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    Nisses are awesome. That makes things worse because Epsilons are better versions of an already awesome profile.
     
  7. SpectralOwl

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    If the Nisse's Multiterrain were reliably relevant to standard play, these units would actually be quite balanced. 2-inch movement is a serious disadvantage when it shows up. If you want to keep Nisses awesome, stick some snow on your board.
     
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  8. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Well-Known Member

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    I almost always bring a Hexa in NCA at least. I feel like they are a great unit esp since they added the khd. I dunno if theyre point or two overcosted compared to some formula, but that doesnt change the excellent utility you can get from a hidden killer specialist that can make a decent pocket gunfighter in a pinch.
     
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  9. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    Yeah, I can't help but laugh...

    Mostly at the idea that Nisse and Hexas are anything other than staples of Vanilla PanOceania play.
     
  10. Musterkrux

    Musterkrux Well-Known Member

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    I think the point is that they aren't so good as to compel people to play vanilla PanO instead of a sectorial.
     
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  11. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    I fully expect to see linkable Epsilon in a Sectorial before we get Svalarheima for the Nisse.
     
  12. Zelaponeepus

    Zelaponeepus Well-Known Member

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    The point about multiterrain is actually not insignificant at all. It makes a big difference in rescue for example. It also makes a big difference if your meta has started using a lot of terrain rules (which ours has)
     
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  13. xammy

    xammy Keeper of Random Facts and Strong Opinions

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    Walking through difficult terrain with a medium infantry without a terrain skill is going to SUCK!
     
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  14. Doa

    Doa Well-Known Member

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    Multiterrain is worth is cost if you use terrain rules.
     
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  15. bladerunner_35

    bladerunner_35 Well-Known Member

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    Dazer is a thing.
     
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  16. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant
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    I think Dazer is CB's reminder that the terrain rules are a thing.
     
  17. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Unfortunately it perpetuates the idea that the best thing to do with the terrain rules is to ignore them via Multiterrain, and screws some unit types way harder than others (Medium Infantry in particular). The Saturation zone effect is really neat, though.
     
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  18. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant
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    I'd call that subjective/variable, as with most things. Several popular MI choices, particularly MSV fire superiority pieces (Djanbazan, Intruder, Bagh Mari, etc) love a low viz + saturation zone. They go from being decent to being extreme high probability when it comes to arranging high probability Gunfighting exchanges.
     
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  19. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Dude two of those have Multiterrain and the third has its choice of three terrain skills.
     
  20. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant
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    My initial point being that you don't have to maneuver through a terrain zone, or indeed go anywhere near it, for it to have a huge impact on the game. Using terrain to positively influence your opening Gunfighting manuevers is one of the easiest ways to get table control, especially when you can leverage Saturation Zone vs your opponent's stronger ARO pieces. Doubly true in the current meta of mixed link AROs.