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Smoke Special dodge and Secondary targets.

Discussion in 'Rules' started by Jumara, Oct 31, 2022.

  1. Jumara

    Jumara Well-Known Member

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    Active Player activates his Fireteam of 3 Ghulams and moves out into the open. The Leader is a Gulam NCO with Smoke Grenade Launcher.

    Reactive Player reveals a Hidden Deployment Noctifier with Missile Launcher and can get all 3 Ghulams under the template:

    Variant A: The Noctifer targets the Ghulam NCO who uses Smoke. Normal FtF with the Ghulam NCO BUT the other Ghulams get hit or are they to benefit from the Smoke FtF?

    Variant B: The Noctifer targets a secondary target. Can the Ghulam NCO use his Smoke to possibly prevent the Missile template hitting by winning the FtF only for himself OR only for the targeted Ghulam and himself OR only for the targeted Ghulam OR for all 3 Ghulams?

    :2:Performing an Attack with a weapon with Smoke Ammunition allows the user to make a Face to Face Roll against all enemy Attacks that require a Roll and LoF, and whose LoF passes through the Zero Visibility Zone generated by the Smoke Template.
    https://infinitythewiki.com/Smoke_Ammunition
     
  2. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    https://infinitythewiki.com/Template_Weapons_and_Equipment

    The Main Target of a Template Weapon or Equipment is a Game Element that can be designated as a valid target for the BS Attack, from which the MODs applied to the Roll are determined, if a Roll is required. This Roll will be opposed separately, one by one, by the rest of the Enemies affected by the template.

    https://infinitythewiki.com/Rolls#Face_to_Face_Rolls

    For actions to be resolved with a Face to Face Roll, both Troopers must affect each other directly. If either action does not affect the outcome of the other, use Normal Rolls instead.

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    No, you can not use smoke to affect protection for anyone but the trooper shooting the smoke grenade. The only unit that the smoke shot by your NCO can protect is the NCO themselves. Shooting smoke in this case will leave everyone else defenceless, I suggest you Dodge or pray to Allah that the Noctifer is as incompetent at hitting important shots as the average Noctifer tends to be.
     
  3. Jumara

    Jumara Well-Known Member

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    If so the Ghulam NCO could oppose the Noctifier shooting at a secondary Ghulam, for HIMSELF and get Smoke down.

    And yes the better option would almost allways be to normal dodge but that is not the point of this post.

    I'm interested if there is a distinction in hitting the Main Or secondary Target OR any other trooper that is not part of the activated team (is hit by the template in opposition to the smoke of the team).
     
    #3 Jumara, Oct 31, 2022
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  4. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    The thing that your NCO cares about here is whether the Noctifer is directly affecting the NCO and if you place the smoke so it crosses the LOF the Noctifer uses to attack with. Whether the NCO is the main target or not doesn't matter.

    Noctifer can not ARO against a non-activated Trooper.
     
  5. Jumara

    Jumara Well-Known Member

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    That is totally clear.
     
  6. anubis

    anubis sarcastic exaggerator

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    Please stop using the terms "Smoke special dodge" or "smoke dodge" or "Smodge" or anything like that.
    Throwing or shooting smoke is an ATTACK with a targetless weapon and has nothing to do with the movement-skill Dodge. The decleration itself involves and forces so much confusion just by the wording, especially with players who are not as deep in the rules as others.

    Smoke is an ammunition someone uses with a weapon, either Grenade or Grenade launcher, and that means it is an attack. And this attack becomes a Face to Face against non-MSV-Units when you obscure your whole siluette (including movement), and as such it is a FtF of the smoke-user against every ARO-unit matching the requirements above.

    It is not a Dodge, cause would it be, the whole Fireteam could preform it.
    It is an Attack, and thats why it is a FtF between the leader and the attacker (Noctifer).


    edit.: for more clarification: Imagine 3 Noctifers holding hands, standing close to each other. All 3 of them shooting at the fireteam hitting all 3 Ghulams.
    In this scenario, the Fireteam Leader Ghulam is shooting with a Missle launcher at the noctifer standing between his to buddys. All 3 of them got hit by the template. Does that effect the other 2 Ghulams? No. They just roll their 9 saves.
     
    #6 anubis, Nov 1, 2022
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