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Shas update suggestions

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by Magno, Feb 14, 2018.

  1. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
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    More alien stuff?

    Nanoscreens. Nanofields (personal field providing Saturation Zone protection against incoming fire, someone came up with the idea in the new skills thread). Unique Perimeter Weapons (E/M? Viral? Sepsitor?). Functional Morpho-Scan. Mines with TO Camo, though this one might be too nasty. Shas mutations of Gakis and Pretas (Mimetism and Protheion, for example).
     
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  2. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    I'm honestly expecting to see a lot of protheion, it feels like the most alien rule and very shasvastii-friendly.
     
  3. Magonus

    Magonus Well-Known Member

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    Nanoshield, yeah, that was my idea. I think Shasvastii would be neat as the "anti-sectorial" sectorial, less focus on Fireteams, and more things that make other Fireteams sad.
     
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  4. bloodw4ke

    bloodw4ke Well-Known Member

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    Shas hungries seem cool.

    Maybe spawn embryos could produce a gaki-like S1 warband (juvenile shas) that you can spend an order to hatch? Mommy went down; now Jr. is pissed.

    Protheion 1 would be... flavorful.
     
  5. Grimm

    Grimm New Member

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    Expanding on the "seed" theme - what if they were allowed to deploy more mines and deploy them in a larger ZoC? Or, what if they could AD:Combat Jump mines at deployment similar to how the Imetrons work now?
     
  6. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    Really they just need to fix the Cadmus since that was its schtick.
     
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  7. D6Damager

    D6Damager Active Member

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    It makes perfect sense. The Shas are deployed as forward scouts and espionage agents. Why wouldn't they have beacons to signal in the rest of EI military as part of their covert ops?

    Ko Dali fits with the Shas as an assassin and with her protheion tech. It would also give SEF msv2 and more access to D-charges without having to completely design a new model. Bit & Kiss being allowable should pave the way for all sepsitorized units being able to be deployed in any situation or CA sectorial (similar to REMs even though SEF also doesn't get unidrons....). She's not OP and wouldn't break the sectorial anymore than Bit & Kiss (who are practically becoming ubiquitous in CA play).

    And we all agree seed embryo needs to be fixed or just go away.
     
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  8. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    I actually think SEF getting unidrons would be better than them getting AI beacons. AI beacons are not used to direct CA forces, but as control nodes for the EI, and the whole point of SEF (and MAF) is that they aren't under direct control of the EI.

    And wait, how is shas getting a new unit not a good thing? It would be awesome! I especially like the idea that was given here of them not getting MSV, but sensors and sniffers, to make them more of an anti-shennanigans faction. This would both add an unique layer to SEF and give CA a new tool too. I really would prefer that to them just getting access to a model that already exists.
     
  9. tox

    tox SorriBarai
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    Just like we have seen a "Tinbot: Albedo", we could have a "Tinbot: Personal Saturation". This would be pretty awesome and really alien/voodoo-Tech!
     
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  10. alchahest

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    making nanoscreen a three level rule would be awesome -
    Nanoscreen Level 1: cover
    Nanoscreen Level 2: If destroyed by fire, you may spend a long order to regenerate the Nanoscreen. You gain +3 ARM while in cc and the nanoscreen is active.
    Nanoscreen Level 3: Models shooting at you suffer the effects of shooting into a saturation zone.
     
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  11. stargorger

    stargorger Well-Known Member

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    Aww man that would be awesome!

    What if the tinbot gave all your guys in the link Holoecho 2 for the first turn of the game?! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
     
  12. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Holo2 with SSL2 looks pretty evil at the first glance.
     
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  13. Zec-Lot

    Zec-Lot Koala and Wildcat fetishist

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    Here are some of my wishes / ideas:

    -Give all Seed-Embryos infiltration. So it is not that bad that they spend a turn idle as a seed and to have more Camotoken in the middle is always nice as a Shasvastii

    - Give the Seedsoldiers the Fireteam: Core special rule

    - A new Unit/Shroudet with Ambush Camouflage would be amazing.

    - Give us a Heavy Infantry with Armor 3, 2 Wounds, Mimetism or Camo and maybe Infiltration or Forward Deployment.

    - I realy want a Shroudet Killer Hacker Profile :D

    - Something against TO/ODD Units would be rly helpful...i just have no realy cool Idea.

    I think that would solve a lot of the problems the Shasvastii currently have.

    What do you guys think? And sorry for my bad english.
     
  14. Kwisatz Haderach

    Kwisatz Haderach Zelenograd Shasvastii
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    I would change Lv2 to - Enemy models attacking suffers -3 (or 4) PH for Damage resolution. So its basically like Shields in Dune. So AP CCW doesnt have a better bonus against that.
    LV3 - we have a High Saturation Zone, that in not used anywhere.... thats actually much better)
     
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  15. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    General thoughts

    If I remember right, I need to go look in my old books with Shasvastii background, Shas are all about physical adaptability to the situation and or environment.

    Keeping this in mind, I’d like to see most Shasvastii get multi-terrain to show how they can adapt to the environment they are in. It’s not a big game changer to have it at all but it’s part of the background. I’m also NOT saying all of them.

    Also, in line with the idea of them being light armored, sneaky and all that, I think giving most if not all of them Stealth wouldn’t be that bad. It was suggested giving them all Protheon which would come with Stealth but I think having all those would be a bit much.

    Seed Embryos with Limited Infiltrating or Combat Jump should get a +3 to physical rolls.

    Below are more specific things I’d like to see with troops

    Seed Soldiers: The main thing I’d really liked fixed is Seed Soldiers and the Seed Embryo. I’d rather they just get rid of the embryo and give them limited camo. However, if they want to keep pods, make getting out of them a FREE movement. Similar to getting up from prone. Right now I really don’t like the spending of an order, for them just to get out, and then only be able to do a 4in movement. Some more weapon options would be great too.

    Cadmus: Similar to the Seed Soldiers embryo, but also allow for the mine-pod, to stay where it is even when the Cadmus gets out. Morpho scan for Cadmus is a lot of nothing. I’d rather they do something like meta-chemistry. Maybe their own form of it. Right now Morpho scan is very situational to the point of being useless. Add a specialist as well.

    Gwailo: I’d like to see maybe some more options but the most important might be to have a basic Combi Rifle option that’s a bit cheaper.

    Caliban: When they introduced these guys they did it better with the Seed Embryo by allowing you to buy a guy already developed for one point more. They just never came out with figures. To keep in line with them being demolition types, how about some panzerfaust fun!?

    Aswang: All I’d like is a specialist and maybe give them Forward Deployment.

    Haiduk: Got the figure but used him only once. I really don’t see the need for this guy. There’s so many other options that are as good or better. If he’s going to be picked for anything, give him the only MSV. Then there’s a reason for him. Some other weapons options would be good too. HMG, Missile, Feurbach etc. Also, Sapper rule is stupid for him. Just give him Mimetisim and Nanoscreen.

    Noctifer: I’d like another spcialist but that’s about it. Either a KHD or FO.

    Sheskin: Not much to say, I like her as is. Maybe a Special Operative profile.

    Shrouded: Love these guys and don’t see much needed. I’d love a KHD though!

    Malignos: I think they are pretty fine but again would love a KHD.

    Speculo: Already fantastic

    Hasht: Would love a Special Operative option. (Edit: he does have SO option!)
     
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  16. Styx

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    [​IMG] Shasvastii Expeditionary Force
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    [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] GWAILO Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] GWAILO MULTI Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 26)
    [​IMG] GWAILO Hacker (EI Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] GWAILO (X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 23)
    [​IMG] GWAILO Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 28)

    3.5 SWC | 125 Points

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    This guys don't need combi rifles.... 21pts with boarding shotgun + nanoscreen, so for 5pts you adding 1 MULTI rifle lol. Boarding shotgun are more cheap than combi rfile. And see the HRL... 23pts + nanoscreen + X visor, alrready you want to see combi profiles at same points on 22/23pts?

    Gwailos they are cool on weapons stuff profiles and they have 13BS basic. Maybe they need improve to heavy units or NWC or another special tip to replace their CCW.
     
  17. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I was kind of grasping for something with them. I like them really as they are. I totally agree that they are pretty good and pretty much the only reason I'd do the sectoral is to have a link of them. Of course they are essentially the only link because there are no figs for Caliban and Seed Solders are useless!
     
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  18. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    There's precedent there. Prone for one, Mechanical Transmutation for another. Give them two profiles - Pod and Developed, and make it a one-off Transmutation-type effect where they swap from one profile to the next. That allows them to do the whole thing of pods being tough and armored and whatnot, while the soldier itself is in a t-shirt.

    Agree with most else you said :)
     
  19. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    That would be neat, just to make them as weird and alien as possible.
     
  20. fartsocks

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    Maybe they could hatch some sort of face hugger, a tiny impetuous creature with no weapons, but can CC attack by launching itself onto your face. If it succeeds, you're sepsitorised.

    Or like pink horrors, when they die, they split into a couple of baby gakis.