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Request for CB: no more skewering

Discussion in 'News' started by Varsovian, Sep 21, 2020.

  1. Varsovian

    Varsovian Well-Known Member

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    I admit I might've come off a bit self-important... It wasn't my (conscious) intention. I just wanted to provide some personal feedback to CB.

    As for the "Think of the children" bit... I thought it was clear it was meant to be a joke. ;)
     
  2. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    I look at most minis as more of an artistic piece rather than something that is purely game-y, so tactical rocks, bodies, etc don't bother me.
    I really don't mind the gore as long as it's used in a way like punctuation rather than an accent. (I think a nice example is infinity vs. warhammer)

    I think the gore in Infinity is usually pretty effective in the minis that actually utilize it, it informs us more about those characters rather than creating something gross for the sake of itself. Also from a painting point of view it's a really great way to create something that is visually interesting on a number of levels.
     
  3. Jenian Katarn

    Jenian Katarn G:Synchronized

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    I don't see any entitlement. I thought people come here to tell their preference. I did mention mine while also providing reasoning for my preference. I'm not demanding change, just pointing out what I think on the subject. However, the thread name and setup were on the aggressive side.

    On another point. I've usually seen that "think of the children" reasoning to be used as "cover the eyes of the children so that they don't need to see this" so I was bit perplexed. Usually children love this stuff. I'm not trying to deny them from their cravings but instead asking them to convert their own depictions of gore on to the models if they want such. But now that I noticed the quote below, I see what your point was.

    On internet, sarcasm doesn't work any longer. During past years people have seen that even the dumbest "most obvious thing" intented sarcasm is actually an opinion someone might have, this is a sad thing but still true and people have experienced this. Reasoning follows: sarcasm bases on common understanding that there is a threshold below which a thing can be understood as a joke, because none is dumb enough to believe it to be true. However, on internet, this threshold does not exists as because experience has shown that people can be that stupid. Hence, without the threshold, sarcasm is taken as a statement of fact.
     
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  4. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    @Varsovian - or, as someone wise has once said (no, that's not meant to be any personal jab, just a dot over an i @Jenian Katarn wrote) :
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  5. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    I like those concepts, but I prefeer them to be at a minimum. If all miniatures were to have those kind of details, it will become boring. But having a few cool miniatures with those skews is great in my opinion. Opens a window to some creativity both for their sculptors and for us, players. Some old models didn't have the "tactical rocks" or so pieces, but were in a pose interacting with something invisible (snipers sitting overs something not seen looked as if they were about to piss themselves, or people stepping on the air and so), which was weir too for some people, but great for those who saw the idea and added their extra to the base (my air stepping n1 mobile brigada is stepping on a tactical rock I put for her, and I think it makes more sense and is cooler that way)

    But I understand why some people don't like it, so instead of asking for it to go away, I think it would be better for all of us to ask for it to be separated, or optional pieces (because sometimes is impossible to separate them)
     
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  6. nazroth

    nazroth 'well known Nomad agitator'

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    Yes - totally this. Let them be, but also - let them be separated from the main body. This goes for tactical rocks as well.
     
  7. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    As I view this, this is kind of like the tactical rocks, but more annoying because you have to figure out how to paint a unit you have no interest in painting in a pose that's a lot harder to figure out.
    CB's miniatures are strong glorifications of war with all the shine and gloss of a well honed propaganda poster. I am mostly fine with that; the miniatures are showing the essence of the unit at their best. I wouldn't want more realism with the glossy veneer removed, as in I'm not interested in a shell shocked Fusilier or Shona sodomizing a shasvasti POW.
     
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  8. Knauf

    Knauf Transhumanist

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    Not a fan of these either, especially Nourkias, as he might not receive a general release. It's of course the artist's prerogative to decide on their designs, but I could personally do without them.
     
  9. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Just to expand on this, bear in mind that Saint George/San Jorge is the patron saint of Vigo (where most CB staff live), and this is a random statue of Saint George:
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    I think it’s very unlikely to be coincidence, and Shona is likely to be a direct homage to statues of Saint George impaling the dragon (in general, rather than this specific tourist gift).
     
  10. Baszoo

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    Ofcourse I understood it was a joke. Please calm down about calling "people" idiots for not understanding sarcasm.

    Your following argument however was that you didnt want violence in the game thus no-one should be allowed to enjoy official sculpts that are violent. More so than taking issue with the fact that you dont enjoy the violence I take issiue with the framing of the discussion in the thread I suppose.

    Just because there are some violent sculpts doesnt mean I want every model to become graphic, that would just make the few that are lose their "effect".


    I believe this would be the best solution, but ofcourse there are probably difficulties related to production here. I would rather give the players more options than strictly limiting them.
     
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  11. McDevil

    McDevil Well-Known Member

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    I'm simple fella. I like gore and I like some flesh and anime cringe . Minis are for fun to me and yep it is nice to wake up teenager boy time to time.
    Kinda "Why so serious? "
    Tactical corpses and rooks, big fan of that. To me is importand to have best looking mini. And that stuff helps with that. And my brain register them just like mentioned one snap shot, so they don't drag tacticals with them. Anyways it's meter of teste. Easy separation will be nice option to make happy all folks.
     
  12. Rot_Sechs

    Rot_Sechs Well-Known Member

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    I bet this thread wouldnt exist if cb wouldnt have 2 releases with dead bodys in the same month. Personally got annoyed when seeing it too.

    I can appreciate the idea for shona. But she will land behind glass as soon as i get one that doesnt drag around a gruesome corpse.

    Alienalucard i dont like at all. Its a wierd pose to kneel to for a stab and its not depicted in the comic i think. But he has that wierd murdurous dick vibe... so eeh "\(-.-)/" maybe cb is overcompensating for that always falling over floaty boy.

    Joan with tactical groper is a model that would work just as good with a rock. No need for that poor yet to be killed alien. And she gets disscused with pretty much every dang joan/ tactical rock release. I rationalised it by challenging every ca player i encounter to fight me with that alien to "earn it". So far that never happened sadly as ca isnt that wild spread around here.

    Make rocks/corpse serperate or atleast ez to cut and all would be happy... but that would mean priceier models because of more work...

    No grimfinity for me thanks. Would be reason to sell and quit. Bostria sayng something about "situation will get more severe" in the podcasts the some month chars get corpses doesnt help. But its bostria so grains of salt where chucked.
     
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  13. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    If they must make Dioramas I'd rather these get saved for the tournament prizes. It makes more sense than having to dig into an expensive limited release tournament pack for the basic Yemao profile, or the Parvati and Wild Bills that actually look like they belong on the Infinity Table.

    This is especially bad with the Joan release. The basic pose should have been the general release with the diorama base being the art book special.
     
  14. Rot_Sechs

    Rot_Sechs Well-Known Member

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    Groped "heroic" joan and masterclass joan are 3+ years apart according to my googlefu. They might not even share the same base 3d model with the newer one being a very good copy of the older one. Victor messer had the same exclusivity until they made the new sculpt so i wouldnt worry to much. 6-12 month wait for general releases so far.
     
  15. kesharq

    kesharq Lucky Dice-Roller

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    The Tuareg Hacker for example has a separate tactical rock. So if it is necessary I can use something more fitting to my intended base design. That is really good! :)
     
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  16. Varsovian

    Varsovian Well-Known Member

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    Really? I thought that "aggressive" on the Internet means making posts like "OMG, CB released two disgusting and morally indefensible minis! I demand that they get removed, otherwise I'll urge everyone to boycott Infinity forever!!!"... But maybe I just don't know how I come off in other people's eyes. So, if you got the sense that I'm aggressive or imposing, I'm genuinely sorry.

    Good point.

    Heh. I certainly hope it's not intended as a personal jab! :D

    I like this idea!

    ... thank you for giving me that rather interesting mental image. :dizzy_face::scream::flushed:

    Interesting. You know, I've been thinking of this issue all day and I'd like to point out that Saint Michael has rather similar iconography. In fact, he actually fits better, because Saint George is often pictured on a horse. Just look at this sculpture:

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    The similarity is rather striking...

    I didn't do that, actually... No did anyone else.

    Hm. You may be right that I overstepped. Sorry about that.
     
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  17. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Another of the inspirations behind the Shona pose is that many of the CB staffers are re-enactors/European martial arts enthusiasts, limited Shona was a good excuse to use an interesting finishing move from the old longsword manuals.
     
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  18. Vocenoctum

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    No one's saying idiots, they're just confirming it's a joke and trying to keep the discussion from getting negative. No need for negativity since I think most of us agree here to some extent.

    Yeah, they can cut the minis so the tactical rock or corpse is a separate piece on some level so they're easy enough to take out if not wanted. If the Shona can be made without the corpse, it'd be a plus. Limited Liang Kai could easily be made without his statue for instance, which is cool. Ninja couldn't be made without his roof though. Bugged me that Andromeda's hand is part of the "dog" model, so you glue the arm to the hand rather than the entire thing to the "dog". Hell, even when they're on a tactical rock I'd rather use my own rock rather than the rock they give. :)

    I don't really mind the gore, I even bought a Morat model to be decapitated at the feet of my Achilles, but I find such things to be great set pieces rather than play pieces, if that makes sense.


    Also, I can't imagine they won't do another Nourkias sculpt. Shona is a Aristeia! alt sculpt, which tend to not be as wide release. Nourkias though, I don't see his only figure being in the character pack in a set piece post.
     
  19. KedzioR_vo

    KedzioR_vo Well-Known Member
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    Hmm...
    ...mmm...

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    :D


    PozdRawiam / Greetings!
     
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  20. Knauf

    Knauf Transhumanist

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    I take it you have little sympathy for Aleph :P

    That bike is fire btw.
     
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