You didn't really answer my question though, or rather you just avoided it entirely with your rant against Aleph units. There are clearly holes in PanO's capabilities that needed filling in SAA, specifically: Camo infiltrating specialist MSV 2 sniper Midfield brawler/DTW platform Aggressive hacker These deficiencies don't exist in vanilla, where they are amply covered already. Putting another MSV2 sniper into PanO (as if the Nisse, Kamau and Black Friar weren't enough and not all thematically a poor fit for SAA), or really any of the others, is just bloat for bloat's sake. Which leaves sectorial-only units as the way to go. So we get to the crux of the matter. What difference does it make in the slightest if SAA use Aleph units in these roles? If they were Mercs in the vein of CSU in NCA it would be exactly the same situation, but because they're available in Starco and IS rathery than Aleph that's different? You're just coming across as stubborn for the sake of it.
See, I like the Naga and Teucer thematically (though I have never used him in SAA...). But Drakios and Scylla just look like CB had no idea what to do with Guarda de Assaulto, ran out of time and just reached for a quick-fix. I'd have much rather seen more Guarda options, including specialists.
They have two already, Croc Men and Order Sergeants (though you'd never use the second in vanilla). Just because you choose to use the better level of CH available to you doesn't mean you couldn't downgrade. Hell, making your opponent think you have a minelayer in hidden deployment is incredible, especially when you spend an order on that "mine" to go and capture an objective.
@yojamesbo Basically said its not for him but it's cool if other people like it. Don't see how he is the stubborn one when you simply can't accept that someone dislikes something. (He even said them being mercs wouldn't change a thing) I for example play Haqq and PanO. And even in Haqq i do not play QK simply because it feels like hodgepodge to me. That is simply not the type of army i enjoy. We have lots of different stuff to choose from in Infinity. I don't see the harm in people liking different stuff due to different subjective opinions.
Yes and no. I'd rather see some OSS units there instead of Greeks, but both Drakios and Scylla bring a lot to the table. New GdA loadouts would be nice, but not really necessary. It's a top tier assault unit, that clears the way for our button pushers. It doesn't have to win the mission all by himself.
The fluff behind putting those units in works for many, obviously not for some. As mentioned above, pulling in that Sectorial only unit to fill a hole keeps the overall faction from becoming too unwieldy.
I mean regular camo instead of TO Camo. Mostly because downgrading for the minelayer option kind of takes away the best part about Croc man and Order Sergeants for their ability to use Hidden Deployment to keep them safe. Also, you cannot combined Hidden Deployment and minelayer (if I am correct).
Nah, I'm coming across as a guy who has an opinion and knows he's entitled to it. I did answer your question, you just didn't like my answer. Again, it's just my personal preference. I get where you're coming from, I just don't see eye to eye with you on this issue due to reasons that are, frankly, subjective. I love Aleph units in Aleph, and I'm cool with them in other factions to a limited extent because it's fun and fits the fluff. I dislike their current presence in Acon because I think they're being used as a crutch and are precluding opportunities to introduce more cool, characterful Sikh, et al., units. The end. :-) Bingo bango bongo, this dude gets me.
There's this awesome saying, "to each his own" ;) And I certainly wouldn't say no to new distinctly PanO units. Like Gorkhas for example ;)
Interesting that you see me questioning someone's position in an attempt to understand it as me not being able to accept something. You might want to check your assumptions a little there. Thanks for the explanation, I can see where you're coming from even if I quite like (half of) the Aleph units in SAA.
I love ALEPH integration and hope to see a lot more of it in Varuna. If it opens up options for sectorals that are not available in Vanilla then all the better.
I think the operative condition here is “as long as the Aleph inclusions aren’t simply out of laziness, and the sectorial still has cool units all it’s own, then bring on the Aleph inclusion.” That would be the cardinal sin of Varuna for me, if the sectorial doesn’t get much more than what it has now, plus Aleph support. If we don’t see as many unique additions as tre other factions this year and it’s been patched over with Aleph units, that smacks of laziness and a lack of caring about designing PanO units.
I don't think that you can fairly make that accusation against SAA, which is why I have always been confused about the accusation that the ALEPH units there indicate laziness. And NCA might be boring, but the ALEPH units in it fit well.
The Aleph stuff fits in both nca and Saa. They aren't needed at all to play and do well. I haven't played Devas in... well, since n2. Nca is my most successful faction.
Sorry man but I have to disagree there. Nagas are more than just a staple in SAA while NCA would really struggle without the Garuda. That said I don't mind. Nagas are great and I don't see why Vanilla PanO should have a similar new troop to replace them. Garudas are also excellent and I'd rather not have a third boring BS13 PanO troop or a badly copy pasted Tiger Soldier either. Our 4th Sectorial is on the Horizon, using Aleph loaners is a good way to keep Vanilla in check. At least in a hopefully bright future where all the garbage littering Vanilla and Sectorials alike is reworked on a useful level. Looking at Tohaa or Vanilla Aleph always makes me cringe. For us the closest thing to good internal balance is SAA (assuming Orcs will be fixed with Varuna). NCA and MO are certainly not weak but half the troops are a mess.
People are really bad with rules. Don't believe them. Read them for yourself. Even (especially?) the old players.
