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Reinforcements as a purchase option...

Discussion in 'News' started by Morituri, Jan 17, 2024.

  1. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    The fact that @psychoticstorm isn't doing anything about insulting posts like this just shows what a joke the Infinity community is. There's people who are actively invested in making the user experience shittier because it gives them in-group fuzzies to do so.
     
  2. kanhead

    kanhead Well-Known Member

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    Like you right? I see your negative posts all over these forums and usually ignore them. Do everyone a favour and try adding something to the conversation rather than complaining about CB incessantly.
     
  3. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Negativity is required when the fanbase gets culty/toxic positivity on people for pointing out basic flaws in the game.

    I don't talk shit for no reason; you'll find me completely off the bandwagon on the siocast haters because that was not necessary, in my opinion. But the gameplay situation is getting worse and worse, and little care seems to be given to Infinity.
     
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    If psychoticstorm was doing what you ask, you'd already be banned for a looooooooong time, buddy. You're completely delusionnal.

    EDIT : Ahah, you were actually banned for some time, that's why the forums were a bit more quiet! Thanks for the laugh, pal! :joy:
     
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  5. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Negativity is not needed and in fact, not wanted, we had great and constructive discussions even if we disagreed the past few months.

    If you want to behave you can participate in the community, if not hiatus can be reinstated.
     
  6. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Where in the forum rules does it say that negativity isn't allowed?
     
  7. Hecaton

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    @psychoticstorm if this dude's gonna be insulting why can't I be?
     
  8. csjarrat

    csjarrat Well-Known Member

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    Guys, this doesn't help anyone change minds about forum toxicity and the wider community health. Both sides; let's step down and chill.
     
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  9. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Protector of the Search for Knowledge

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    Back to the thread, the Pano box doesn’t seem too bad anymore. Agnes can make a good Blade Proxy.
     
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  10. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Seeing as the Reinforcements troops have been added to regular game, I have a feeling this topic is no longer relevant.
    For they aren't - in general - "Reinforcements-only" anymore (in general, because the soo-to-be-released Azra'il Spitfire, for example, doesn't exist outside of Reinforcements*).

    Which looks much like CB accepted the Reinforcements as a totally separate game mode are, more or less, dead in the water. There was an update to the profiles, there was an adjustment in Commlink troops, but the Reinforcements rules, to my knowledge, weren't even touched.

    * given all the above, I guess CB will amend that, too.
     
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  11. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Protector of the Search for Knowledge

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    I do like the possibility the notes mentioned that the ideal is that you can have Reinforcements versus Standard army lists. I think if they continue to tweak the rules, add more Reinforcement friendly missions, and allow Reinforcements versus Standard, the mode will make a comeback.
     
  12. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I'm all in favor of it. The more game modes are out there to pick form, the better.
    Even if I don't ever intend to play some of them.

    But the discussion of Reinforcements as a purchase option has outran its relevancy.
     
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  13. Space Ranger

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    I can honestly say that with the change, I’m a lot more likely to buy a REF box. I was for sure NOT going to be buy before since I wasn’t going to be buy something I wasn’t going to play. I can’t afford to do that. Or at least have the option of playing. Sure, I have a lot of figures that are gathering dust. But I at least have the option of playing them if I wanted to.

    It’s still going to be a difficult decision for me however since they are expensive! I know that I’ll probably never get the CA box. $100 for six figures is just too much for me. I now play O12 but the only ones I like are the Nightshade and maybe the Vidocq MSR who isn’t even in REF. This may change when Torchlight Brigade comes out. I also started playing SP and none of the Aleph REF are available. I may someday do OS or Vanilla.

    Edit: I forgot to add that something. Some have mentioned how REF was some sort of ploy to make you buy miniatures. My answer to that is… well yeah. That’s literally their job. They cannot keep going if they have no miniatures to sell. My problem with REF and their marketing is that they didn’t do it well and could have done better! Also, everyone needs to realize that re-sculpts never sell as well as new sculpts. They must keep making new ones. Power creep happens because players are also more likely to buy a troop that’s going to help them win. We say we play for fun, but do we really? We all want to win at least some of the time. People that just keep losing every time they play rarely stay in whatever game they are playing. But CB, to stay in business, needs to sell miniatures. To do that they need to create incentives to buy those miniatures beyond making cool figures. The coolness factor can only go so far. Especially today when there’s many cool figures for other games. The incentives can be how a figure does in the game, making a sense of FOMO with lt. editions or retiring factions, just being new, and many other ways. Complaining about it means you are in the wrong hobby. Not just the wrong game because all the other miniature game companies do the same exact things. Some better than others.

    Some have also mentioned how Warcrow is taking away from Infinity. I personally have seen NO evidence of this. Sorry but I use evidence, not feelings. If it were true, then REF might never have come out at all. They could have just kept doing the usual little changes to ITS missions and new mission and left it at that. They could have just come out with the troops without REF at all. Also, as I’ve stated before, it hasn’t affected their production either. Last year was a record number of new figures put out. I think the sculpts have also been just as good as in the past. Some may not be to our taste, but I think they are still way above many others.

    As far as community engagement, I think people have gotten to use to instant gratification. We have no right to their attention, and they don’t need to do what we say. Yes, it’s good for them to have some engagement to get a good idea of what their customers want and need but they still need to make decisions on what’s good for the company. Many of us have great ideas for the game but they are bad ideas for them. I of course love it if they listened a bit more to us and how we feel about aspects of the game and did adjustments more often, but they don’t, and I just need to live with it. We can cry and moan about siocast all we want but if its’ what’s keep the miniatures coming, I can’t complain too much. As I stated before I’m buying less of their minis because they are getting too expensive. If siocast will bring the cost down with minimal changes to quality. I’m ok with that.
     
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  14. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    I disagree here, merely on the basis of distribution of said profiles. I don't think all add the same value (as in-game profiles) everywhere, for example to Steel Phalanx players the added value is 0, for OSS it's an extraordinary explosion of melee profiles (since previously only Andromeda was anything that could be considered "melee specialist", with other options being, at best, melee initiates, able to do something against melee inepts but mostly overpowered by any melee specialist, or Maximus Vs Asura, and in Aleph Vanilla I think Myrmidons are still superior to Dawons)

    I'm mostly in the same wagon. Between the amount of resculpts from OOP sectorials and recycling of models I don't like anyway (the new dakinis), the only box I can feel buying is the nomads one... which adds little to Bakunin, nothing to Corregidor, and A LOT (if with only a few profiles) to Tunguska (which has changed wildly in the last 4-5 months between the Zellenkriegers and the Kulaks, the rounder is maybe a bonus). The Exrah... they were never interesting to me, and they are the most expensive, so I can live without.

    Which was about time they made an effort to fulfill, I think they changed the profiles from Reinforcements only to regular play too because they were selling a pittance, while now people are seriously considering buying one or more, have already bought some, or are desperately trying to deny their "need".

    New sculpts does not automatically equate sales, however. I can tell you from empiric evidence that my local store in Madrid has been reducing orders outside of pre-sales or buy-on-demand more and more regarding Infinity (WH40k is flooding the store, instead).
    If you don't want to look at the recycled poses of releases in the same month (haqq & aleph reinforcements hackers are the same pose) look at the game's support in those areas outside of asset recycling for new monthly sales: when whas the last FAQ published, how long did it take to get any change at all to the Reinforcements rules, when was the last time Code One's rules were looked at, how many videos were recorded for Infinity without Bostria (who spend some time in medical leave, and had to record one video the same day he returned to work) which could have been done without a face, just some slides, news and a voice, all the while Warcrow has been flooding the YT channel so much with news and shorts for a game that hasn't reached stores for two years.
    I'd say the amount of attention given to Warcrow far exceeds the one given to Infinity, and that's at the expense of Infinity for the simple reason that Corvus Belli is a "less than 50 people" business, in order to escape taxation hell (while leaving for USA would not be good for the game in Spain, should CB change their location less than 100km south and into Portugal, they would find a lot of money suddenly free...
     
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  15. archon

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    Why? There is already a Blade op with SMG in the box. And she is the only reason, why I would buy the box (but I doubt, that I do it), because:
    I already have Bolts (maybe I sell them, they are still at a good price).
    The Blade BSG is not attractive - either as a mini or as a profile, SMG can do so much more.
    I don´t like the Blocker and have - outside of REF - no use for it.
    I don´t like the Agnes sculpt in there. Wielding all this pistols she not look like the pilot that is accidently involved in fight. Deviance Version is so much better but will not be on sale alone ;-)

    I do bought the YJ box and now its a good addition to my WB (except the Haetae I refuse to buy the HMG, which I will like never use until I find a way to convert a HRL on it, because it will take them aeons to release the mini all player but CB want). It would be better though, if they spread the content over the sectorials like they do in Nomads.

    Speaking of Nomads ... unfortunatly I collect all three sectorials ;-) Only CJC gets nothing from it (outside of RF). The additions are nice.

    Aleph is a cool addition to OSS. Shame none of it makes it into SP. Very cool stuff.
     
  16. Hecaton

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    This should be what CB pays attention to. Not sticking to a harebrained alternate game mode.
     
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  17. Knauf

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    I assume they felt they had to come up with that game mode to justify dumping all those new profiles on us. Armies are bloated to hell already, especially vanillas, so introducing all of that without sectorials to "contain" it would've had me worried and I'm still not sure if I like their addition at all at this point.

    Maybe if they had pruned armies of merc/KS choices beforehand, but now it's just more stuff on top of what was alread too much.
     
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  18. Space Ranger

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    That’s true but it’s even worse for re-sclupts. I can tell you I’ve not gotten things either do to already having an old version or deciding to proxy. But they need to come out with something.

    It’s been the same in my stores. They just recently got in product that came out months ago. No one pre-ordered any of the REF figures. I think due to nobody playing it. Now it may change.

    40k just sucks the air out of all games. Not just Infinity. It’s going to be a while before those 40k players are sick of it again and turn their attention elsewhere. There are few things they can do to compete against GW. They can hardly even fight them on price point anymore. Sure, you don’t know need as many figures, but new players don’t KNOW that! They only see that it’s $100 for 6 figures, when you can get the same amount or more of plastic figures for far less. Some salespeople don’t know either. If I didn’t know the rules, I know I wouldn’t get into it.

    Personally, I haven’t seen that many Warcrow videos. Looking at their YT channel I can see there’s been nothing WC for six months. They have had some shorts that are not very meaningful.

    I can agree that there should have been more attention to changes but sometimes they need to NOT change. Sometime the best thing to do is nothing and see what happens. A company should NOT give instant gratification to customers because they are then going to expect it all the time. There are going to be times they can’t do that and then everyone will be mad they didn’t get want they wanted, and whine and cry and rage quit because they didn’t’ get what they wanted right that second.
     
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  19. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I like these game mode changes to keep things interesting. I actually appreciate them trying something different. They just didn’t pull it off well. They should have had them available like they are now from the beginning so people could choose to use it or not. Mistakes happen. Hopefully they learned from it and do better next time.
     
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  20. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Protector of the Search for Knowledge

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    For me, the TacAware Blade is the winning profile. The BSG Blade does not have a use for me. I have Defiance Agnes, and like you said, this version looks like a gunfighter and would be a great proxy for a Blade SMG.

    I am just giddy for this Bolt Core:

    Bolt Core
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    BOLT (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, E/M Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    BOLT (Multispectral Visor L1) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 31)
    BLOCKER Adhesive Launcher, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / MULTI Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 16)
    BLADE FTO (Engineer, Tactical Awareness) Submachine Gun, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)
    BOLT Spitfire / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 27)
    3.5 SWC | 125 Points
    Open in Infinity Army

    It is very dangerous and you could just leave the Sniper back if it has to advance. The blocker helps the link much better than a Machinist and brings more utility.
     
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