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Random thought about AP Ammo

Discussion in 'Access Guide to the Human Sphere' started by Stiopa, Jul 23, 2018.

  1. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    The SMG is already very attractive.

    It's a neat change, but I think it's one for the eventual N4 as you'd have to completely rethink the availability and costing of existing AP weapons.
     
  2. sarf

    sarf Well-Known Member

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    Not so because it would cost more than combi-rifle.
     
  3. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    If one doesn't write a dramatic story about how the thing they don't like is DESTROYING the game and their players are dwindling BECAUSE OF THIS and they've HAD ENOUGH people tend to just hang out.

    Of course now we're getting "like a game mechanic I don't? You should gtfo!" so maybe you can't escape it.
     
  4. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Oh how I love when people are writing about something which had not happened.
     
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  5. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    I said "one" not "you".

    edit: everyone is so on edge I can't say anything except "yaaas king" without people assuming it's a fight now.
     
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  6. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Then from my side I can only say "sorry for groundless escalation, have a good day sir" :)
     
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  7. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Cuts half and always round down would be an easier way. Then you catch all odd values.
     
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  8. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Very true, although everything else in the game is rounded up – this just avoids confusion
     
  9. Balewolf

    Balewolf It's all opinion

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    I agree that it should be rounding down, rather than up.
     
  10. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Please behave in your disagreements.
     
  11. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but there's also no rule who catch only a single value of a stat.
    1-0
    2-1
    3-2
    4-2
    5-3
    6-3

    That's no longer a series
     
  12. Brother Smoke

    Brother Smoke Bureau Trimurti Representative

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    Rounding down would effectively make all AP weapons +1 DAM

    As it is, AP ammo barely costs a point, this would most likely make it go up in price
     
  13. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    They cost a tiny bit more than 1 point, unless it's a CCW you're talking about in which case it costs 1 point.
     
  14. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Rifle to AP Rifle is 2 points for a Moblot.

    Rounding down wouldn't increase damage against all targets either, against Arm 0 and any even amount of Arm there's no change, it would only affect troopers with odd numbered ARM.

    I do feel that AP is in a pretty good place at the moment, maybe it's due to remembering N2 multi rules where AP dropped burst to 2, but you could also choose burst 2 DA/EXP so it was almost never the right choice.

    Having said that, I like the straight ARM reduction, though as it would be more effective against (at a guess) 80%+ of targets it would require a decent points increase.
     
  15. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    I personally would prefer, when AP would effect cover too.
    But the real point is, mathematically DA will in most cases be better.
    And when you would negate the to hit mod for cover, what was my first thought, units like Nisse would become too good as aro pice.
    The truth is, AP is in most case useless, you see it on the Boarding Shotgun wenn targeting an enemy in cover. When the enemy has an armor value lower then 8 (I guess that was the cap) then you will always use the template and not AP.

    But the balance in Infinity is like a house of cards. You don't have only one dependence but many more for each rule.

    These threads are in my opinion only good for brainstorming solutions.

    I don't think we will find here the right solution for these special problem without blowing big parts of the house of cards away.
     
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  16. Solar

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    SMGs are arguably too cheap though. If AP became stronger, I'd just drop it from the SMG tbh.

    Anyway making ARM better would be cool, yeah, but I do like the current simplicity of the ammo type. I don't like things to be clunky. Elegant and smooth is what you want.
     
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    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Also, DA is better than AP mostly yes, but EXP is better than DA as well, and it comes down to cost. AP ammo is definitely cheaper than DA is.
     
  18. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    I find the only time you're choosing between DA and AP nowadays is multi sniper rifles.
     
  19. Section9

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    I thought some other weapon got the Medium Multi treatment... not that I can find one now.
     
  20. Whyrocknodie

    Whyrocknodie Well-Known Member

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    The HMRC has a DA round too, maybe that's what you thought of?

    Unmodified AP is a DAM boost in any situation where the target is ARM 2+, which seems plenty good to me!
     
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