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Ramah until now

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by VicBanjo, May 2, 2019.

  1. VicBanjo

    VicBanjo Máster of Kaboom

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    These are my thought about RTS since the sectorial was released:

    - Ghulam and Naffatun are the glue most the times in this sectorial
    - RTS is "army point" intensive.
    - Mukhtar are THE hunters in this sectorial
    - Nahab are crazy good, KHD option almost all the time
    - Maggie can be a part of a list with a compentent core and haris, which is nice
    - Hortlak are awesome good, CoC is always a good choice
    - Leila is the diamond in the sectorial
    - Use Carmen in a 2 group list
    - Tuareg are not a must, but they are very useful
    - Take care of your specialists, you have only a few
    - Ramah ISN'T reactive, but excels at close quarters fighting
    - You will suffer including specialists
    - There might be a place for Al Fasid... Which hasn't been found yet
    - Haris of Zhayedan is viable (Breaker, Sniper, Leila), Zhayedan Core is viable (Tarik Spitfire, ML, Breaker, Dr+, and Leila).

    ¿Opinions? ¿Do you agree or not?
     
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  2. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Honestly I'm finding strong AROs to be very doable in RTF. EVO overclock and AVA 3 Fanous, a Mukhtar Haris and a Ghulam core with two MLs seems pretty good to me for ARO duty.
     
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  3. Fenrir

    Fenrir Well-Known Member

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    - Mukhtar are THE hunters in this sectorial: the only good in the sectorial
    - There might be a place for Al Fasid... Which hasn't been found yet: The place of al fasid is dashat not working in ramah/vanilla at all
    - Haris of Zhayedan is viable (Breaker, Sniper, Leila), Zhayedan Core is viable (Tarik Spitfire, ML, Breaker, Dr+, and Leila): Very expensive cause dont do the job, just good for tariq

    I see your point but the problem is why dont play vanilla? I was thinking about it. ramah special things: muktar haris and carmen, vanilla got all of the good things of ramah with good specialis but without links... you can put tariq as well and dont need links.

    And won't play anymore ramah cause I think its boring to play without midtable. Ghulam links can be played in hassassin and qapu. Jenizaros are for 10 order list. and dont see any special thing to do with ramah.

    In conclusion the Ramah tactic is simple put tariq on the list with link and do crits....
     
  4. Sojourne

    Sojourne Irregular

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    heh I didn't think of the overclocked AVA 3 flashpulse bots. Should be interesting.

    Expanding on "Ghulam and Naffatun are the glue most the times in this sectorial", I've found the main "gimmick" of RTF to be the Ghulam link. Ghulam are already one of most versatile line troops out there (hey thanks WIP 14), and RTF was intentionally designed with many "count as Ghulam" troops.

    More precisely, the juggling of different troops in and out of a Core/Haris/ Duo according to how you analyze the gamestate at a point in time, seem to be the tastiest and incredibly satisfying side of playing the sectorial for me. Granted a fair amount of RTF is still "Do you want Tarik in a link", but the more I'm trying RTF, the more nuanced I find it to be.

    And that's great.
     
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  5. VicBanjo

    VicBanjo Máster of Kaboom

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    Let me tell you that Tarik hasn't made most of my lists. Ramah is solid, I've played against Invencible, vanilla Yu Jing, Phalanx, Bakunin and Neoterra and won most of my games. I started playing Vanilla and yes they are more flexible when using specialists, I've been struggling with FO and hackers in RTS. Yet, despite the inconveniences RTS gives you more resilience in close quarters, huge midfield game, excellent Rambo + specialist combos and the best shooting pieces of Haqqislam in links. IMO I believe is more an idea of what Haqqislam should be played rather than how RTS, QK, HB or vanilla shines in their own nich, with their strengths and flaws.
     
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  6. Koval

    Koval Well-Known Member

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    I think this is an important point. I haven't been able to figure out how to make Ramah work without the "Ghulam" core, generally with Ghulams doing most of the specialized work, one or two Khawarij doing the gunfighting, and maybe a Naffatun. A big part of differentiating lists within Ramah is how you build the mixed core.

    Have people been having success in other setups?
     
  7. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    Too nuanced for me.
     
  8. Agorapocalypse

    Agorapocalypse Namurr and Nahab are girlfriends

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    Limited insertion Jann link could work, right? I kinda want to run double hortlak sniper with overlapping fields of fire down center field. It could be fun.
     
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