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Discussion in 'New Users' started by lillumultipass, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. lillumultipass

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    Hi everyone,

    I have quite a large collection of games now (probably too many ;-)) but I am still missing a good wargame with minis, where one has a set amount of points to create one's army. I have been looking for quite some time as I am going back and forth between different games.

    As my knowledge was limited, I initially gravited towards Age of Sigmar and W40K as they were the more popular. However, given my requirements (I did not want armies with tons of figs, was ideally looking for a smaller than 4 x 6' footprint and max 2-3 hrs playing time, playable at a 3-player count, no hidden info so that I can "practice" solo...), people recommended other games such as Kill Team, Warcry, Warmachines, Infinity...

    So, I investigated all of them, and I arrived at the following conclusions :
    • KT/Warcry : too random
    • Warmachines : seems to check a lot of my boxes (for instance, I was looking for a good variety in abilities, varied factions/races with a lot of possibilities for customization of one's army, i.e., different playstyle within the same faction), but I am afraid (i) it might be a bit too competitive/complex for me at first and (ii) the game is not in a very great state right now and the community down there in France has become rather small. Also, there are still probably too many minis...

    So, I have continued to look and refined a bit what I am looking for :
    • 4’-4’ play area at most and not hundreds of minis (ideally max 30) and playing time < 2H
    • Gameplay where positioning is important and interesting in-game decisions with a lot of depth
    • Unique units but not that many so that you can lose because you forgot the ability of 1 single opposing mini.
    • According to my readings and the playthrough I watched about different games, I think to favor an alternate activation system. In other words, I don’t think I would enjoy spending 30’ waiting during my opponent”s turn just removing models.
    • Limited hidden information so that I can practice solo (it seems Infinity is not ideal in that respect, but I can probably make do...)
    • Being able to play 3+ players is good but not mandatory

    Infinity seems to have a lot of depth but my questions are :
    1. how is the game doing worldwide, and in particular in Europe ? What about tournaments ?
    2. I heard about a 4th edition, when is it due ? If I were to start now, should I wait for the new "starter sets" ?
    3. What are the best sites for discussions of strategies/factions/Characters ?
    4. As well, are there some good blogs, or YouTube channels with Battle reports that explain well what his happening ?

    Thanks for any feedback !
     
  2. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    1. how is the game doing worldwide, and in particular in Europe ? What about tournaments ?
    Tournament numbers and attendance is growing in a global scale. The game has a healthy community though obviously it varies by location.

    The game is obviously very popular in Spain, there also seem to be sizable communities in Germany, France, Poland, Russia, Latvia, and other places. The UK scene is pretty strong though mainly in the south/Midlands.

    2. I heard about a 4th edition, when is it due ? If I were to start now, should I wait for the new "starter sets" ?
    4th Edition (N4) launches at Gen Con this year (early August)

    In late March (at Adepticon) we're also getting Code1, which is an "Infinity-lite" ruleset designed to be a gateway to N4 and also as a faster, more casual standalone game.

    There will be a new two player Battlepack also launching in March/April designed around Code1 featuring PanO and Yu Jing.

    All the rules for Code1 and N4 will be available online for free including army builders for each, just like previous editions.

    We are getting a video from Carlos Belli in the next few days detailing more about the upcoming edition, the above is all very new info.



    3. What are the best sites for discussions of strategies/factions/Characters ?

    The various factions have their own forums here with stickied tactics threads. The WGC Infinity Facebook group is also very active, and most factions have their own Facebook group too.

    4. As well, are there some good blogs, or YouTube channels with Battle reports that explain well what his happening ?

    Ash Barker, who runs the Guerilla Miniature Games YouTube channel, has an unboxing and playthrough of the Red Veil Battlepack and uploads Infinity Battle reports fairly frequently.

    Vaulsc has a YouTube channel with some good how to play videos and battle reports. He also does some fairly in depth faction reviews but they can be pretty subjective.
     
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  3. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    4. I'd highly recommend the White Noise podcast. It gets incredible guests / guest hosts from around the world, but is heavily focused on the Australian meta. So you'll have to put up with jokes about whatever Crispy Frisbees are being called this year.

    https://benandmarty.libsyn.com/
     
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  4. lillumultipass

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    thank you !

    Another question that has been bugging me (I wanted to create a topic for that but I don't see in which section it would make sense...) : how do you transport your terrain ? I guess most of the time you don't, but if you need to transport it to a friend's for instance, how do you do that ?
    I will probably use cardboard terrain at first but since you need quite a bit of it, I wonder whether there are optimal way to do so. Or maybe some foldable/re-foldable terrain...
    Any suggestion ?
    thanks !
     
  5. WarHound

    WarHound Well-Known Member

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    Transporting terrain is actually pretty common (in the UK at least), as we take terrain to events a lot.

    I personally fit a whole table of terrain (and arguably 1.5 table if used sparingly) into one of those plastic storage boxes. Makes it easy to transport, easy to pack, and protects it.
     
  6. lillumultipass

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    thanks ! May I inquire which brand of terrain you are using and the approximate size of the box ?
    it seems to me there is so much terrain on a table, the plastic box must be very big and not easily transportable...
     
  7. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    In our group we used an 80 Litre container per table, including a neoprene mat.

    Most of our terrain was laser cut MDF, though we avoided anything with fragile railings or suchlike.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. lillumultipass

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    Wow, that's huge ! I don't see myself carrying that using public transportation...
    Hmmmm, I will have to check whether there are other ways to optimize transport, otherwise, it might be a deal breaker...
     
  9. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    I have seen collapsible MDF terrain that would go on a much smaller box, though it would be heavy.

    The card scenery packs (except for the Salvora Governmental Complex) are very cheap and fold completely flat. I'd probably use a half dozen of those if I still used public transport (which would mean living somewhere it was worth a damn).

    I was lucky in Leeds as we had a general wargaming club that let us store a couple of containers for boards. I also had a home board that didn't travel because I never drove in the UK
     
  10. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Depending where you are what a lot of groups do is leave the terrain at a club or FLGS. Mostly we all try to limit how much we move terrain: moving people and armies to the terrain is usually easier.

    If you wanted 'transport friendly' options though: hardside spinner suitcase. You can probably get a reasonable quality one relatively cheap that will easily fit a table's worth of terrain. Just get a table that packs well (there's lot of well designed highly packable MDF options around).
     
  11. Koin-Koin

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    It really depends on what are your terrain made of.
    Typically you can find :
    - classic hard plastic/resin/mdf/... terrain which is hard to "condense" so the above box is the most common way to transport it
    - official legacy Corvus Belli paperboard terrain that are sold for cheap and can be hardened by using the cardboard box you get when buying an army pack (you have such terrain included in Operation boxes). Those can easily folded back or put in a bag as it as they don't weight much but you can easily crush them. Still it is a good middle way to begin with.
    - the new Corvus Belli cardboard terrain found in the Operation Wildfire box and can be bought separately. Those can't be unmounted but can easily be stored like Russian dolls and are quite resistant (I got 2 sets of those and it provide enough to get a decent map).

    I won't link it because it's not a CB partner but Battle System's Sci-Fi range is something you should consider. Can be fully unmounted or partially so you can put them in smaller boxes that can fit in a backpack.

    PS: have a look at the Scenery section in the Fan Zone sub-forum
     
  12. lillumultipass

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    The Salvora is the one in the Wildfire pack right ? I will have a look at the others thanks.

    Would you happen to have a reference for those packable MDF terrain. I will also look at the spinner suitcase.
    The thing is, ideally I would like to transport my game (minis and terrain) in a regular "bowling" bag if possible.


    Thanks for the explanations !
    I was probably planning to buy the Operation wildfire box anyhow and if the terrain can be stored like Russian dolls this indeed looks great !
    I will also look at Battle System and the scenery section.
     
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  13. colbrook

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    Yeah, the Salvora pack comes in Wildfire and is made of 3mm cardstock, so it doesn't really flat pack, whereas the older Operation and Army boxes came with thin cardstock terrain that goes properly flat.

    You can probably carry a set of the Salvora/Wildfire terrain and a good stack of the older terrain packs and get a good amount of variety.

    The older terrain packs also come in two styles, the lower buildings with oblong containers, and the taller buildings with bridges and cuboid containers. The buildings in both packs are also readily stackable to get taller terrain.
     
  14. Koin-Koin

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    What you have in the pack
    [​IMG]
    All the scenery parts will resume to the two main base buildings.
    The small building will fit into the big one and more than half the scatters with fit in the small one.

    Tokens should be stored apart anyway as you won't have to sort everything when preparing the table.

    I'll try to share some pics once at home (the one I have available are too big to be posted here)
     
  15. lillumultipass

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    Ok, thanks, that's great ! And 2-3 sets like these make a full 4x4' map, right ? Probably not very varied but decent enough...
    And I guess these could then be put in a plastic box with something else to hold the minis and I could put all that in my bag !
     
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    Koin-Koin Well-Known Member

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    If you are not familiar with the previous CB terrain, have a look at this video including an how to by Carlos

    Here is what looks half a wildfire pack once stacked:
    WildFire.jpg
     
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    You can pretty much fit an entire table's worth of the old style terrain into an Operation: Thingthing box.
     
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  18. lillumultipass

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    thanks, that's great indeed and it could solve my issues with transporting terrain !
     
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    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    There has been other options, that require you to craft (or print with a 3D printer) your own terrain. Mostly, it goes down to have walls (with some support protusions in their "inwards" side) and ceilings, and shorter walls with some supports to use as scatter. Some of the solutions for the buildings involve the use of magnets or more mechanical male/female couplings (the former might be a little flimsier, but the latter can play badly with painted terrain). I've seen "space Hulk"-like tables (the insides of a ship, but basically all corridors and rooms you make with walls).

    In the end, the old terrain sets have different "skins", but the structures are two (Wildfire's terrain set being a third): Red Veil & Spiral packs come with taller buildings, 2 bridges, and about 4 square smaller "booths", while the rest are lower buildings and some containers.