Post Daedalus Fall List Talk

Pretty much all the symbioarmour models in that list are pretty good bomb carriers actually. Especially the Gao-Rael at WIP14 with FD1, and the Draal with FD1 and mines (plus minelayer) to generate some nasty forks.

 

Spiral has its own subforum in the NA are they are sharing SC lists there etc ;)

 

This is the current draft:

Scrimmage
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GROUP 1 10
TAAGMA (Multispectral Visor L2) Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor, Fireteam: Special Triad) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor, Fireteam: Special Triad) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
TAAGMA Lieutenant Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor, Fireteam: Special Triad) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor, Fireteam: Special Triad) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
DRAAL (Minelayer) AP Marksman Rifle, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1 | 40)
TAAGMA (Tri-Core) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 21)
KRIIGEL Breaker Combi Rifle + Smoke Light Grenade Launcher / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
CLIPSOS Minelayer Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
GROUP 2 4 4
CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
GREIF-OP (CH: Mimetism, Forward Deployment L2) Shock Marksman Rifle / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0 | 25)
KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)
KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)
HELOT MILITIAMAN Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 9)
HELOT MILITIAMAN Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 9)
HELOT MILITIAMAN Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 9)
DIPLOMATIC DELEGATE (iKohl L1, Specialist Operative) Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
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To note, the Taagma teamed with Chaksas deploy as Chakas (yes, six chaksas, but the fireteams make it obvious that there's Taagma about so its still the best camo - is that a badly deployed flamethrower, or an MSV2 multi sniper?) and the Tricore Taagma deploys as a Kriigel agent for basically the same reason.

If you feel like experimenting you can swap a Greif marksman and Helot LRL for a Greif impersonator and Helot Marksman Rifle. Both Greif profiles are fine and interesting, basically worth the points and you can't fit any more Clipsos. I've used this both ways and I like that the impersonator is cheaper but I also like deploying the Greif marksman in a stratocloud with the Draal if I'm going second.

I've got more work to do on it and want to fit in a Preceptor in some lists, plus also try Neema in place of the Draal, but the Draal has added just another layer of pain and problems for my opponents so far so I'm loathe to cut it.

 

Honestly, the Kiiutan is the most dicey inclusion here. If I were to go first, I'd bomb him up and wreak havoc in the enemy DZ, if I had second turn, just puttong him down as a speed bump seems fine.
A clipsos is probably still the better pick, though

 

I like my lists beeing versatile abd tried to stick with this concept. As a newer player, I am never really sure whether it works.

 

So this is my first attempt at playing with the new toys. I know everyone says Kiel-san is bad but he seems so cool! :p

Toybox v1
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GROUP 1 10 1
DRAAL Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges, Dazer / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
SAKIEL Paramedic (Medikit) Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
REEX (Marksmanship L1) K1 Marksman Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
REEX Spitfire / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1 | 17)
GAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 31)
KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
KIEL-SAAN Red Fury, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (1 | 53)

GROUP 2 3 1
LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Neurocinetics, 360º Visor) HMG / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 25)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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Suggestions and comments appreciated :)

 

It's interesting, I wrote off the Reex at first glance but they're making their way into lists and I can't really argue with it. For a long time I also dismissed Kaurii (not that they were bad, just that I didn't need them after taking four chaksas) but I've had to use them a few times in Spiral and I really like their toolbox for cost. It feels kind of the same way for Reex. Even the marksman rifle in that list doesn't feel bad, although with the spitfire already I'd probably downgrade it to the shotgun and take something else with the points.

 

Yeah, people were poo-pooing them, but I think the Kriigel special triad is interesting. the Marksman option is there since it's the cheapest option for K1, and this is meant to be a fairly flexible list since I'm still pretty new and trying to keep my options open. I guess with the 7 points I could swap out a baggage auxillar for the SHRL? That or make the Sakiel my lieutenant to get some Viral

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I forgot a lieutenant, whoops! That would solve that issue, but less specialists. Hrmm...

 

tryingnew
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GROUP 1 10
REEX Boarding Shotgun, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
REEX Boarding Shotgun, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
KRIIGEL Breaker Combi Rifle + Smoke Light Grenade Launcher / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
DRAAL (Minelayer) AP Marksman Rifle, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1 | 40)
CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)
KAAURI Sentinel Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulsers, Nullifier / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 12)
DRAAL Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges, Dazer / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)

GROUP 2 4 1
CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
HELOT MILITIAMAN Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 9)
TAAGMA Lieutenant (Multispectral Visor L2) Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)

4 SWC | 296 Points

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This is a generic list using units I have or will be getting.

General idea is to use is Draals and the clipsos are my button pressers/support.

Krigel Phero is to mark targets/kill units that my other units will use to further eliminate later.

Lieutenat taagma and helot are longer range fire support. Helot are annoying to eliminate.

Comments would be much appreciated.

 

@MRPYM what are your plans for fireteams - in particular, who will that second Draal be pairing with most of the time? Will you leave the Kaeltar behind and go Draal/Draal/Kriigel?

 

Hrmm, well tweaked it a little more. Down one specialist/medic, and K1, but up Viral and the SHRL (and a lieutenant :p). I really wish Gao-Rael was in Spiral Corps, then this would be a really fun list. Might try to see what I could put together for SC in a similar vein. For now though I'm off to hunt Pokemon.

Toybox v2
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GROUP 1 10 1
DRAAL Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges, Dazer / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
SAKIEL Lieutenant Viral Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
REEX Boarding Shotgun, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
REEX Spitfire / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1 | 17)
GAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 31)
KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
KIEL-SAAN Red Fury, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (1 | 53)

GROUP 2 3 1
LIBERTO Submachine Gun, Chain-colt, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 8)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Neurocinetics, 360º Visor) HMG / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 25)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR Smart Heavy Rocket Launcher / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 15)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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You are missing the Lieutenant.

Ok, wasn't the first *facepalm*

 

Heh, yeah Ben. I think I just got a bit excited about stuffing as many of the new toys in as I could :p

Any comments on the second version?

 

Missing the K1

IMO you have to less good solutions against high armor target besides the lonely Makaul.
And I don't like the not HFT Chaksa.
And the special triad of Reex and Kriigel isn't legal in Tohaa cause it's not in their fireteam list.

Came with the first shot to following changes (atm not happy with that)

Toybox v2
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GROUP 1 9 1
1 SUKEUL Lieutenant (Forward Observer) K1 Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
KRIIGEL Submachine Gun, Phero-Booster / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
GAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 31)
KAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
TAAGMA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
KIEL-SAAN Red Fury, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (1 | 53)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
LIBERTO Submachine Gun, Chain-colt, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 8)

GROUP 2 5 1
2 DRAAL Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges, Dazer / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
DIPLOMATIC DELEGATE (iKohl L1, Specialist Operative) Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

2.5 SWC | 299 Points
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That is quite a different list. The Army builder lists the Reex+Kriigel as a valid option though, is that not meant to be the case?

 

reex and kriigel is a special triad

 

It could be a copy and paste error.
The Fireteam list in the wiki is atm the reference if something is legal or not. But there's no entry for Tohaa atm

Edit: and the Kriigel Agent doesn't have the special fire team in Vanilla, where it has it in Spiral.
Therefore the chances are good that it will be removed from the REEX

 

Reex and Kriigel are a special fireteam triad only in Sprial Corps, army will be fixed soon.

 

Thanks for the clarification :) Well, now I have to tinker with the list again...