I love the Burkut LRL in a Djan HMG Haris. For long range shooting the Djan HMG (plus occasional smoke from a YuanYuan or the Ghulam NCO) is my main attack piece. The Burkut I use as a specialist, ARO piece and Mid-range/close-range shooter in turn 2-3 when that Haris is moving up for objectives etc. SMG and LRL give Range Mod +3 between 0-24 inch plus NWI and Mim-3 - that is a bargain for 31pts imho
I'm not sure how that one goes, but does it contain anything but dreams of apex quality variety? Just up thread there was a complaint Korsan should have smoke. That's my complaint. If it's not the best, then to a vocal segment, it's garbage.
Well, the Korsan feels very much like a Warband choice. Except it, indeed, has no Smoke. It might be a matter for a different thread, but I believe it could benefit from a solid discussion on its role and application. Because as for now, I personally fail to see a clear one.
@Papa Bey I agree that all or nothing thinking is not helpful for the game. For me, things do not have to be apex to be good; just good enough for use. But Korsans, while the concept is cool, currently don't have a function in QK. Their use is so restricted that they are difficult to utilize. I just want them to have a niche. Or something that would help them function. For example, I can have fun with Khawarijs. They have a specific niche and can do some unique things in Ramah. A four man core can fit in some lists and do some unique, glass hammer things. But, for Korsan, they feel, to me, harder to understand what they are for. Close assault? But they can only link with a unit that wants to stay midrange (Kaplans). And if the Kaplan goes down, the link cannot be reformed. Maybe then two Kaplans, (one Engineer/ One MSR)? Is that the best/fun use of points? Right now, the Korsan model in the Reinforcements box feels better to use as a proxy Yuan Yuan. And that makes me sad.
I think korsan is designed only for reinforcement, when a cc specilist un mid board has sense. In his fireteam, only bill is as fast as him. If i need to bring a yuan yuan o ghulam nco for cover Korsan movement, it loose one of his selling point (price). Probably we need to open a new thread to discuss how to use korsan or how to fix it. Cheers
To be fair, for certain types of units there is absolutely a "You must be this tall to ride" bar. Like imagine making a character with MSV2, BS15, and Marksmanship... but whose only BS weapon is a Heavy Pistol. I mean sure, it's good, and there's definitely usecases for it... but it's never going to be able to perform the role that the rest of the kit indicates it should. So it goes with Warbands, in that units that want to get up close and personal with the enemy usually need to have a way to deliver them there. Smoke, NWI, Dogged, Dodge (+3)... sometimes just being linkable with a unit that already wants to push into the midfield is enough. Korsans have none of these, which means there's some problems to solve if you actually want their fairly awesome kit to actually roll dice. It wasn't a problem when you could just airdrop them right on top of objectives, but now that they're starting in the DZ? They effectively need a wide-open firelane to just run down for 2-3 orders before they can do anything meaningful, and that's not a great place for a unit to be in. No Frenzy or Impetuous to give free orders and a price discount, either. So while they seem useful for giving a Kaplan Haris some close-ranged punch, they're otherwise just kind of awkward to actually use. Which makes it difficult to justify including them in a list.
My impression is that Korsans are appetiser a dressing, not the main dish. They can help bringing the Kaplan link cost down and provide cc deterrent, maybe going after some targets of opportunity later on. They're not supposed to be an active assault unit like other warbands. But mostly I think they're a victim of overabundance. Churning out more and more new units is bound to end up with some of them not having a clear function or underperforming when compared to alternatives.
Trick is, Korsan - being what they are - don't really have an alternative. And no, "appetizer" is not the right culinary analogy - "dressing" would (perhaps!) be. You're rights - they may cheapen a Kaplan Fireteam and give it a CC deterrent. But they do it only for the Kaplan. As mentioned above, making them wildcard would solve that - allowing them to cheapen any Fireteam. Whether that would be good for the sectorial as a whole, well, remains debatable. Overabundance... yeah, might be the case, too. QK has one of the longer rosters I recall among the sectorials.
Yeah, dressing was the word I was looking for. Tiring day. And I do agree that making them wildcards would make them more useful, though the question of if/how much sectorial would benefit is open
It also is just some disappointment too. Korsans are one of two new units of QK after years. And sure, they have a use in Reinforcements. But, for QK. It is *sigh*. I will try them though. Maybe a 4 man Kaplans MSR core for ARO duty. Or a Kaplan spitfire Haris. (I am also still salty that Kaplan are the worse doctors in Haqqislam. I can't imagine ever using the doctor profile out of principle).
Wait, isn't that The Way of the Silk Tycoon? It is a bad deed if someone steal from us. It is a good deed if we steal form someone, just make sure to never call it "theft" in public. :P But yeah, I agree on the principle. We should sit down, have some mint tea (a coffee might agitate some spirits too much!), pass along a plate of baklava. Give the matter some time and some consideration. Discuss. Be what the Haqq crowd on the forum was seen as in the golden days of yore (I'm not saying we totally always were like that, but it is a good goal to strive for :P ).
