Playing into Tunguska, Need advice!

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When every game round here is either a linked mimetic HMG shooting at 16s or a linked fatality L2 piece, a lonely and very expensive hsien or a basic ass 13 BS HI dont cut it

 

If you go for comparison, its acceptable. Yet in general you can call Hsien or Su Jian a nasty shooter.. Frankly the two pieces you mentioned are in factions which needs them badly, and I don't think ISS needs such a bummer for now.

 

And @madcore , I do admire your enthusiasm and nice paintings(I saw it on FB :)). But try to adapt into your missions first.

Forum's a good place to get some advice, no doubt, still the fun lies in dissecting other units and implying your playstyle to real game.

You can't grab specially sharp edge upon ITS or so, since you'll be facing numerous opponents or missions purely by the day's work. That's my two cents; I dont wanna be a snobby nerd, but it felt like I had to tell you why I commented 'go and play'.

Cheers on your wins btw; good jobs done there

 

My thoughts exactly. I mean, you have Wu Mings, Su Jian, Rui Shi, Hsien... I think saying no one but the Garuda con shoot well in ISS is a bit of an overstatement. And as proper infiltrators go, Ninjas are probably some of the best. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, though. So this is just my point of view I guess.

 

I'd argue this not to be the case though.

At least not in the traditional TO Infiltrator sense, as most other ''traditional'' TO Infiltrators ( So not Oniwabans or Saito, since those are rather niche Skirmishers, opposed to most. ) in the game outshine the Ninja in multiple ways:
Order Sergeants in MO are cheap and full AVA.
Dasyus are arguably the most durable ones thanks to NWI. Don't even want to mention Proxies.
Clipsos are as cheap as it gets with TO Infiltrators.
Malignos benefit from EI infowar gear, Dazer access and are one of the few cases where an argument can be made in favor of AutoMedikits.
Tuaregs bring a shotgun on near every profile.
Spektrs at least bring an actual gun. And get E/Maulers I do believe.
Croc Men are the only TO Minelayers I know of and get that improved Suppressive Fire courtesy of X-Visors.

Now all that being said, Ninjas do have a handful of things going for them as well here:
One of the three Silent BS Weapon and Stealth combos in the entire game ( Albeit being out-costed by the Hardcase and out-shot by the Dart. ). The only one of these TO Skirmishers that can stab worth a damn as well, and are bargain-grade cheap on the bow profiles.

Maybe not among the best, but certainly the most niche.

 

Garuda and Dakini HMG
Shooting at generic BS without imposing additional mods is not very satisfying

If only ISS had the Ninja FO profile... No mines would still hurt but at least you can place it in suppression or kill at a distance.

 

Fixed that a tiny bit.

 

With the smoke madtrap thing can't the Hollow Man link just delay their ARO due to SSL2?

 

Sixth Sense L2 doesn't have a delay functionality, only Sixth Sense L1, does so it requires the Hsien activating inside Zone of Control to delay against it and the MadTrap trick is typically done at ranges of 16 to 32 inches.

 

The only way you are allowed to delay your ARO outside ZoC is against markers/Holo2. It's like @Mahtamori said: the moment the MadTrap is in LoS of the enemy trooper, they have to declare the ARO.

 

A nasty trick then. Ideally you'd hide your team a bit in that case, and then try to go very much on the pure offensive.

 

mmmm tasty salt.

Remember Kids, Its always unfair when the "other guy" does it ;)

 

My feeling exactly every time my opponent does the whole "deployment" thing :(

 

Fixed that for you...