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Patsy + Kamau + Machinist Haris now broken?

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by ThananRollice, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Eh, oh well. I never really used it.
     
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  2. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    I think she is a needed sacrifice to simplify the mess Wildcard troopers created for FT creation as she was the justification of a lot of Haris/Duo cheeses. I don't mind it though, this will force some interesting choices.
     
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  3. Ceilican

    Ceilican Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but it clears up a lot of the fireteam confusion as to who can join what and how do you identify a fireteam. I don't think they were trying to outlaw any specific effect, just noticing a lot of confusion and made a change to make things more intuitive.
     
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  4. Cartographer

    Cartographer Well-Known Member

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    It's not just the Patsy-Kamau Haris, the ruling cleared up a lot of OSS shenanigans as well, specifically what fireteams a Rudras could join.
     
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  5. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    Obviously it's unfortunate to lose options. My initial impact was this was just like the Saito Specialist nerf for JSA... Why?

    Thinking about it a bit, I understand that it helps to clarify and streamline how links are formed. Confusion about forming links is one of the big rules questions I see, so it's good that it's clarified.

    That being said, it's a big step back in terms of versatility. It's a step back towards the design ethos of limiting PanO's broad-spectrum options. Obviously it doesn't stop VIRD from being a top-tier competitive army, but Patsy + Machinist was a great way to carry double Specialists with great Classified Coverage into a key area of the table, and this made VIRD a competitor in a lot of missions with specific requirements. So this is definitely a hit in that regard.

    Also means I need to update the VIRD tactica...
     
  6. Seraphin

    Seraphin Well-Known Member

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    But does this remain legal? I assume that this is Kamau Core, so Machinist is allowed to participate. They are AVA2, so they can be used as cheap filler / specialist in Kamau link instead of combi monkeys (in comparision to plain fusilier, they bring some interesting options and better odds at desperate F2Fs thanks to Mimetism).

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    PATSY GARNETT Submachine Gun, Nimbus Plus Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 37)
    MACHINIST (Varuna Div.) (CH: Mimetism, Stealth, Aquatic Terrain) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    CLIPPER DRONBOT (Varuna Div.) (Aquatic Terrain) Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
    KAMAU HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 28)
    KAMAU (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
    4 SWC | 132 Points
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  7. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Yes that's legal, it is a Core containing a Kamau, therefore it can be a Kamau Core.
     
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  8. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Personally it reduces the decisions. In the past the decision was made usually between Crocmen/Bulleteer plus Engineer or the Patsi Harris.
     
  9. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    I don't know that much about OSS, but for all armies I play, the connect the typ of the fireteam to the harris model was imo unnecessary or mostly irrelevant. It contradicts the general fireteam rules and causes more confusion.
    But now we have to deal with that new rule.
     
  10. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Look while it is an unfortunate loss of toolbox, some order is needed in fireteams.
     
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  11. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Lol, VIRD is not even that affected.

    All those OSS Asura Harrises now became very wonky (it probably kills Asura with Haris skill).
     
  12. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Why? is is a special Asura Haris fireteam id Asura Haris is selected.
     
  13. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Yup. It just makes things more complicated without really solving any issues.
     
  14. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    They made it less intuitive.
     
  15. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    This is the core (hah) of the matter.

    Yes, we've lost something. But it's not like VIRD identity depended on it, and mixed fireteams were a bit too "anything goes" for some time now. Some restrictions were in order. The tradeoff is well worth it.
     
  16. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    I don’t see how saying “if the X has FT: Haris, it’s an X Haris” is unintuitive.
     
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  17. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Because "Wildcard trooper" meant "can count as anything," because that's what a wildcard is.
     
  18. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    From what I see in the Army Wildcard means "can join any link", not "can count as anything".

    Unit with the fireteam skill deciding which units' fireteam it is is as intuitive as it gets.
     
  19. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Sigh, that was my favourite little haris
    to be honestvCB still has a sodload of work to do to cleaning up fireteams. we did warn them this was all going to be the result ages ago
     
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  20. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Sure, but the concept of a Wildcard in general means "can count as anything."
     
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