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Pack it up boys and girls, Invincible Army isn't next

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by HouseOfKings, Mar 24, 2018.

  1. cazboab

    cazboab Definitely not Cazboaz.

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    Not what I meant but now that you mention it...

    Jokes at the blueberries expense aside, pano is a far more homogeneous entity between its sectorials than any other faction in the game, with several different units being available in multiple sectorials, so removing any one sectorial would impact not just vanilla, but at least one other sectorial.

    And I hope that sort of faction wide interconnect will be afforded to YuJing going forward, since it means more options for the players to field the models in different ways, and from a fluff perspective it shows that the state empire has recovered and gained a more stable sense of itself now that the discordant elements have been excised...
     
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  2. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    What i can't fucking understand is how CB doesn't get is that what they think is "it's gonna be a hard year for YJ" means "people are gonna drop Yu Jing and maybe even the game and not come back" which means less sales for them... it's like they think they are doing us a favour producing the game and we should just wait and play what they say like some kind of love-ridden princess on a tower waiting his prince, but i dont think even Interruptor can be so blindly arrogant
     
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  3. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    I think the seminar showed how "big" the holes on the Yu Jing were and how drastic the units leaving was.
     
  4. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    If you mean the completely useless "stadistics" i could kindly tell you to fo, as you will never know what i play or not play and why the hell don't they delete the units their "statistics" show as not played and gut the diversity on every freaking faction as they did with mine. Maybe you are a cutthroat competitive player, but I'm not, i like to play with cool toy soldiers and craft a story, and i like to have options when i do so i don't get bored. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

    Also, i love how i tried not to be disrespectful with you before and you coming back with this condescending garbage of a post where you presume to tell me what i play and don't. I can't fuckin believe this CB cult thing some people seem to have going on, but I'm pretty done with this
     
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  5. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    And please do tell me with your shit "statistics" what should i do with my 6 Domaru, Neko, Shikami, Shinobu, Oniwaban, 4 Keitsotsu, Karakuri, O-Yoroi + pilot and Raiden i cant no longer use but i sure as hell paid for?
     
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  6. St.Craft

    St.Craft Active Member

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    I think he answer like this - You can now field them like different army! I pretty hype about this! Or you can start a tematic play iss versus rebels, with your friends! So many new opportunities! You can now play in different way!
    P.s i solding my jsa now, i dont wanna play this filthy second-rated rebels
    P.s 2 sorry for bad english :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
     
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  7. cazboab

    cazboab Definitely not Cazboaz.

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    You could probably run those models as JSA... If you played JSA before (and that list makes me think you did) you can still play JSA now ...
     
  8. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    No, i have NEVER played JSA, i just liked the aesthetics on those models and wanted to run them from time to time. I was gonna try playing JSA with the new box, and if CB weren't a complete PR clusterfuck i would have.
     
  9. Del S

    Del S Tunguskaball

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    Given that apart from the Raiden you seem to have about four hundred points of JSA already, including many viable list options, you have these options three:
    1 Play JSA with existing and/or future models
    2 Sell them
    3 Scream into the void
     
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  10. FishKing

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    19-20% for Oniwaban + Shinobu is pretty bad especially when you take into account the fear factor keeping opponents in check even when those troops weren't taken, and the Raiden numbers aren't too shabby either. Zhanshi are apparently the most common unit which I can only chalk up to them being in Red Veil and other cheerleaders either being ugly or awkward to field, but Keisotsu were the more useful unit by a significant margin.
    Karakuri being so low is about what I expected unfortunately, they're criminally underrated in both vanilla and JSA. But aside from them and some less useful sectorial troops like Haramaki and dirty Kempeitai, those stats weren't all insignificant.

    And whether or not they were used in the majority of lists, Yu Jing just lost a lot of capabilities. Nothing adequately fills their shoes JSA left, aside from Tokusetsu with their Chinese equivalents. If players didn't know those shoes existed in the first place, that was their problem. At least until now, now I guess it really is my problem that other people don't use the tools available to them.

    Shit, I'd better start pushing Guarda de Assalto real hard to everybody before Acon explodes then.
     
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  11. Barrin

    Barrin Nomadic squirrel
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    Well, even though some reactions here are a bit over the top, this exact thing is constantly pouring more oil into flames...

    Some people just don't want to play japan units as a new army. Some of them even never planned to play them in sectorial.
    For some people, difference between having one or two forces is huge dand they feel that their minis were gamewise invalidated.

    JSA models were my very first in this game. I own JSA and I didn't play it much lately. Sadly, I feel more negative about this then I would like. My first reaction was to sell it alltogether. Too bad that it's almost impossible especially with amount of uncertainity about JSA future that was between players. I want to see it as a good change that will move the whole Infinity story forward. Even I'm struggling with it. One thing I know for sure: loud haters nor fanboys won't solve that.
     
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  12. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    I will tell you to watch your language, I will also tell you that I have more faith in the stats than you representing the reality of the situation, finally I think you have a JSA list right there.
     
  13. St.Craft

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    Dont forget a quote/ There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics, by Mark Twain
     
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  14. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    @FishKing
    I would not put Oniwaban and Kitsune combined they always competed for the same spot, Ninjas did their job better, by not been a fire and forget missile, what surprised me is how low was Raiden I expected more of it, not surprised at all only missile launcher version was ever used.

    @St.Craft
    That is referred to because statistic companies tend to use the data that will serve their client, CB statistics of usage for two years too, shows usage of units they do not have anything to hide.
     
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  15. Henshini

    Henshini Well-Known Member

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    The worst part about this is then when we do see an IA starter the reaction won’t be “oooh, sweet, look at my cool new units” it will be “sheesh, what took you so long, we’ve been waiting long enough” . Except bow, they will be like “a heavy infantry link team? This will change the game for ever”.
     
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  16. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I like how people can call each other a cunt in other threads and nothing is done about it, but when CB starts getting rightfully torn a new one el moderato needs to swoop in and save the day.
     
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  17. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    If you think Ninjas did the job of a Kitsune better you clearly have no idea how to use one.
     
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  18. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    I think I do, but a generic Ninja can kill something a bit less efficiently in close combat and can be a specialist too and if one goes for the pure muscle you can almost fit two Ninjas in the same cost.
     
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  19. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    We need to make sure the closed battle lists are competitive. They need to be designed and approved by somebody who designs lists to win. No nine order lists with shaolin combis.
     
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  20. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

    You're playing Supremacy. Your opponent sticks 100pts worth of Jotum or other big, nasty, hard to kill points in a quarter, in cover, maybe even out of LOF. Remove it efficiently. Spoiler alert, against large TAGs, it'll take statistically about 6 orders for a Ninja to bring one to unconscious then a further one to get rid of it.

    You're playing Acquisition against Military Orders, who dump Joan the Datatracker and a link of Hospitallar around the tech coffin. Send the Ninja into remove that, because they won't shred her with shooting or CC at all and she'll clearly be able to clear through 5 HI in one turn without breaking much of a sweat. Oh wait...

    But please, carry on telling me how Ninjas fulfill the roles of a Kitsune better. You clearly have all the answers here.
     
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