Lol. It wouldn't matter what stats were put up. People would pull out there cereal box statistics lessons to point out flaws. Statistical analysis, even robust analysis can be done several different ways. Simple fact is, CB didn't tell you how the data was collected and exactly how they interpreted. I very much doubt the stats were the ONLY reason they based it on. I'd also hazard a guess the fact that JSA profiles were eclipsing some chinese profiles would have a been a factor, as that is often a driver for other design decisions. You can either A) stay salty about it. B) accept what they said at face value and move on. Disagreeing with what you've been told or saying its "wrong" is the first stage of grieving. Let it happen but acknowledge what you're doing.
@Alphz Or it could just be that people smell bullshit when it's put in front of them. Going along with BS like that isn't a good thing.
Sorry I don't align with your ultimate wisdom. Just because you think its bullshit doesn't actually make it so. You're making assumptions to come to a negative conclusion. People making assumptions to come to a positive conclusion aren't any more wrong than you, they've just got better things to do than try tell a company how to do things better. Does CB get thing wrong? Sure. No one is perfect and its honestly getting pretty fucking dull hearing from people who are probably perfectly average in their lives trying to hold someone/something else to some higher standard of perfection. Get some perspective.
@Alphz I'm not going to say I'm perfect... but I hold myself to a higher standard of accountability than you think CN should. That's fine, it's as much about how I want to live my life as what's "objectively" correct, but as a customer I'm free to voice my opinion, and it's possible for some opinions to match more closely with reality than others... hence why we're arguing. There are certainly optimists arguing against me... and there are also those who hold the "CB is right" viewpoint and are willing to take any tack to get there, regardless of whether it's arguing in good faith or not.
That first paragraph still implies what CB did was wrong or bad, and should somehow apologise. I don't think PS is arguing that CB is right, more that they didn't do something "wrong" as such. No action has no consequence, particularly when it comes to something that people invest into and feel part of. You're totally allowed to voice your discontent. Its the expectation of some posters that they are "owed" something that particularly rubs me (and maybe others) the wrong way. Try thinking that you're along for the ride, rather than being a navigator, or some kind of collaborative driver, and appreciate that if something isn't to your liking you should just get off.
@Alphz If this product didn't cost money I'd agree with your "along for the ride" statement. We financially support CB, we *are* owed something.
This. So much this. Or is saying that Raiden are used 3x as often as critical hits happen too difficult to comprehend? That is not how "mass grave" is used in English. The English use of the phrase means someone dug a bigass hole with a bulldozer, filled it with bodies, and then used said bulldozer to push dirt over the top. Either because there was nobody left in the village to ID the bodies, or because there was a terrifyingly urgent need to bury the dead without ID, like concealing the fact that troops had just murdered an entire village full of civilians. I'm pretty sure there are pictures in most WW2 history books showing that type of mass grave in the process of getting filled. The Germans were good about taking pictures of that. See also @Mahtamori 's response. And doing it in a way that gives the Secessionists a way to blame Yu Jing for all the dead civilians. That is NOT how you win against an insurgency. In fact, that's how an insurgency wins against you. Only those Japanese that could get to the shuttles before the last Huey left from the roof of the American Embassy in Saigon... (pardon me for mixing metaphors there) I'm expecting a non-zero number of Japanese 'boat people' making their way across the Sphere to get back to the home islands. Taiwan still claims to be the legitimate government of China, with the entire mainland in rebellion against them. And the PRC considers Taiwan to be a province in rebellion. What's your point? You still need to ask the right question(s). I'd say it's statistics 101, but stats is a 200-level class where I live. You need to pass calculus before taking stats.
Alphz, I think it's totally fair for people who bought JSA units as part of the YJ army to be unhappy - we spent money and then CB decided that they wanted to, with quite literally no warning, invalidate those purchases by making what we had purchased no longer a part of our army. It is their right to do so, but it is absurd to claim that it isn't appropriate for players who bought JSA units to be part of their YJ force to be upset - especially given some don't have alternative miniatures to choose from, forcing them to opt for uncomfortably inaccurate proxies or shelling out more money.
No, they offer you a product which you choose to buy. You are not a stakeholder. Do you tell farmers how to do their job better because you buy their produce? You might provide feedback, and they might choose to take it on board. But there isn't any kind of obligation for anyone, you don't have to buy their products, and they don't have to support what they've sold you. You buy it and they support it because the relationship is beneficial to both sides. Sometimes one side has to/or chooses to do something which might upset the other side, and you're free to give the feedback that it did so. But at no point does anyone OWE you anything. Your happiness, and what you do with your models is entirely up to you.
You can be upset. That doesn't make you any of the following as a result: 1. Right. 2. Benefited with greater insight as to how things should be done 3. Deserving of compensation What you do deserve is; 1. An explanation. 2. hugs. I'm not telling you guys this doesn't suck. But if this is how you react whenever something doesn't go your way in life, things must be a constant struggle. We all put money into things and it doesn't turn out right. If you stopped and thought about it, you've probably lost more money on dumber stuff. What I am trying to tell you is, your models aren't even invalidated. They still have resale, they're still the cool models you can paint and enjoy. Are they the same as when you bought them? No. But we all have to deal with that sometime. Edit: how you personally choose to not deal with this issue isn't everyone elses problem. There are a number of actions you could take (many enabled by CB recent decisions), and just because you don't like them, doesn't mean there isn't anything left except for CB to appease you.
@Barrin please understand, all I said is CB has a lot of data mining and assessment tools at their disposal and know how to use them efficiently, some posters do not want to believe than and simply try to find anything to discredit that notion. I understand the frustration, but I have to address some of the "ideal solutions" because they cannot happen either for fluff or for business reasons.
The real issue is that this is a huge blow to community trust, and CB could avoid it, could at least address it, could at least admit it, and at bare minimum, could agree that it sucks. While I'd love to have access to something sort of similar to those units so I can use them as proxies without it being weird (Hey guys the ninja looking dude is actually a HI, don't worry about it), or I'd love to have a temporary unit pool for a transition period, or even just enough for-warning to make sure I don't paint dudes one way when they'll be part of a separate army next week, I understand that I likely won't get it. That doesn't mean I shouldn't give notice of offense to CB in hopes that they won't pull this shit on anyone else.
Well, as I see it, it's more like an online video game subscription. You buy models for an extra prize, because you have extra service online (rule help, updates, builder, missions, events). Current situations, acording to this analogy, seems to be more like: " We know, that you bought YJ base module and several JSA DLC expansions and we decided to cut you the DLC content. But you still have it, just buy this new shiny JSA base module. And when you're at it, there is plenty YJ DLCs to fill the holes, you know that right?" Try this viewpoint and you'll get the rough idea why people are upset.
Respect. Basically, not trolling your players when you pull the rug out from under them. Not telling your fellow players that it's fine and to not be happy - it's like saying, "Don't be sad!" when some says they're depressed; it's entirely worthless and does nothing but aggravate the issue.
"The Community" is very happy with their new NA2 including JSA. A minority is discontent with it and keeps griefing everyone else to force literal reparation payments specifically tailored for their needs in the name of "The Community". You want this for yourself and do not give a damn if you're damaging CB or their relation with "The Community" as long as your selfish demands get serviced.
Wow, that's a very high horse you have there! How many hands? 50? I don't recall anyone forcing people who are happy with the situation to come along and have a go at people who are not. You can, quite simply, ignore the complaints; particularly since that's exactly what you're telling those upset folks to do.
Respect is earned. Not whinged for. People lost my respect when they started preemptively gnashing as soon as uprising was hinted at.
I am quite surprised by the reaction to this, it is an obvious joke by a persona that is know for this behaviour and clearly filmed way in advance before people got the news and started reaction, but it seems to be one of the most controversial things that happened.
And those askin... demanding respect might consider showing some in return, rather than dismissing out of hand any attempt to provide choices or ideas to move forward...
Stop acting as if you wouldn't be spitting mad if 1/3 of your minis got handed off to another faction while CB and the rest of the community made 'lol salt' comments. Quite frankly, it is the attitude you are embodying that made me care enough to post in the first place - if you are representative of the Infinity community, I think it's best people DO stay away because you embody factionalism and a blatant disregard for your fellow player. Maybe next time CB should remove bipandra completely, since Pan-O are complaining that she is boring, to quote one thread I saw recently. Acting like YJ players are overreacting when they lose 16 profiles and near as many miniatures, when there are complaint threads that Bipandra is 'competitive but boring'. Really? Really. So get off your high horses and stop acting like we're throwing toys out of the pram when someone else took the toys and said 'pay us another 100$ to use these'. Some of us aren't rich, some of us can't afford to buy another 100$ starter, and the 2-3 blisters of YJ to fill in the gaps. So you saying our expenses aren't an issue is a stupid or childish complaint is, frankly, a real dick move.
