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Operation Even More Forced Conversation: John Hawkwood, yay or nay?

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by yoink101, Mar 9, 2020.

  1. yoink101

    yoink101 Well-Known Member

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    He’s obviously expensive. There’s something about a badass who can do it all though, so I do like the red fury chain of command profile. 45 points is...a tough pill to swallow, especially in ALEPH where a lot of models that can gunfight with negative mods and push buttons are in the 30-40 point bracket.

    Bioimmunity is a nice tough though.

    Will you try him out? Do you have war stories to share?
     
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  2. Kir

    Kir Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, who? There is no entry in the armybuilder for the name you mentioned, is this a preview profile?
     
  3. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache
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    Refresh your armybuilder:
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  4. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    Stolen Tohaa weapons? Tsk, tsk.
     
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  5. CAnon

    CAnon Well-Known Member

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    I'm seeing a lot of stolen Combined weapons, but unsure what you mean by Tohaa.
    Are they a new CA sectorial?
     
  6. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    K1 rifles are in Tohaa as well, it was a joke of "Dead Tohaa faction, weapons up for grabs" :(
     
  7. kinginyellow

    kinginyellow Well-Known Member

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    Haven't wanted the 45 point one, but the 40 point red fury actually looks very strong.

    List like this seems great:
    John + Myrm
    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    HAWKWOOD Red Fury, Nanopulser / MULTI Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon. (1 | 40)
    MYRMIDON Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 31)
    DEVA Lieutenant (Sensor) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]2
    NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    LIBERTO Submachine Gun, Chain-colt, D.E.P. / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 8)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    6 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
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  8. Teslarod

    Teslarod Trebuchet Enthusiast

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    Hawkwood is very expensive for an unlinked 1.X Wounds guy with Mimetism. CC Bloat and Multi Pistol (no idea what the latter costs) without Frenzy being the main offender here. You'd usually see something like this with a Specialist Skill or Movement skill to offset the price or make the package deal worth it.
    Not exactly bad, but Aleph doesn't really have to settle for very far below very good to bonkers given their existing choices.

    Weeeell
    (Spoiler ahead)
    Teucher had a K1 Sniper Rilfe (probably one of the worst weapons in game) since forever.
    The Rudras already has a K1 Marksmanrifle (neither Tohaa nor CA have one)

    Afaik Aleph K1 was reverse Engineered from CA weapons (same goes for Teucer's Plasma Rifle and O-12's Plasma Carbine).
     
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  9. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Shh man. You'll ruin the tin foil
     
  10. kinginyellow

    kinginyellow Well-Known Member

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    With bioimmunity and nwi he is effectively a pure 2w model that doesn't suffer from being hackable. In general we dont have many decent heavy infantry or effective heavy infantry with heavier guns that aren't priced in the 60-70's. Only other he is competing with is rudras and maybe mk4. But mk4 is great and cheap but is competing against mk1,2, or 5 so not fair to compare against.

    If compare to redfury rudras at same points and swc:

    John loses 1 arm and maybe 2 bs (at the cost of both an order and there are better models to put assisted fire on imho). He loses the mine dispenser and climbing plus. The mine dispenser is a pretty noticable loss with the climbing plus being impactful as well.

    he has mimitism, against shock or viral he is tougher than rudras, direct template weapon, forward deployment 1, he can going prone, again is not hackable, is significantly better in short range with the multi pistol, and the da rounds and stun rounds have massive utility (the da round from the pistol can be used in cc when the monofilament is unnecessary or anti material is required).

    I find the mimitism, not having to put assisted fire on him to have good bs, his multi pistol utility, and the maneuverability of forward deployment + prone as the reasons of him over rudras.
     
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  11. regelridderen

    regelridderen Dismember

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    He seems like a very nice model. A capable specialist, capable of pushing buttons as well as pushing forward. I could see him supporting my ODD Achilles / Patroclus spearhead.

    In that setup, he seems like a nice alternative to the Myrmidon Officer, where you sacrifice some defence for redundancy in killing power.



    ALEPH──────────────────────────────────────────────────[​IMG]10 DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15) DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15) DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15) DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15) MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16) MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16) PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21) ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75) PATROCLUS (ODD: Optical Disruptor) Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW. (1.5 | 57) HAWKWOOD (Chain of Command) Red Fury, Nanopulser / MULTI Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon. (1 | 45) 5.5 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
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