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Non-Aligned Armies in N4

Discussion in 'General' started by psychoticstorm, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. TheRedZealot

    TheRedZealot Well-Known Member
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    I secretly pray to Gautier every night that when they introduce some of the defiance guys who shouldn't be around the human sphere that they decide to add the rest of outrage so I can use my Stallion Jack conversion with the whole gang.
     
  2. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    (Thanks for giving me irritating pictures in my mind!)
    :see_no_evil:

    But I'd love to see the rest of Outrage in the game
    - and available together in one faction.
    Isn't Hannibal always looking for some fresh blood?
    Sure, they died in the comic,
    but where in the timeline of infinity does this happen?
    And in any case - they could all have cubes!
     
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  3. TheRedZealot

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    A Closed Battle List would be good for them I think. If they dont want to add in a bunch of models to other factions.
     
  4. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    Given the strength of some of the power pieces in the faction (Emily), it needs the weaknesses of subpar LT options, as it is also CJC 2.0 its going to inherit that weakness. As far as the Brawler is concerned, it's fine in the Haris and doesn't really need the core behind it, with the exception of 2 or 3 profiles they are kind of dead in SC.

    Foreign company on the other hand, why theirs can't embed itself in a Securitate team or bolt Haris or something is beyond me.
     
  5. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    I doubt Domovoi does being a Dog Warrior, Nakadai's is probably locked away in a vault somewhere post uprising, Bebe maybe.
    But being deniable assets for PanO Intelligence they probably not that high a priority on the cube recovery list if at all.
     
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    I suspect the FoCo Brawler is only there so CB didn't have to invent another SpecOp now that they use AVA.
     
  7. toadchild

    toadchild EI Aspect

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    They died before the "current" time, since we've got post-Outrage Knauf and Arslan running around.
     
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  8. colbrook

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    Indeed, the latest Dire Foes is explicitly set post-uprising
     
  9. Albatross

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    Kinda new to the game, but I’ll throw in my two cents.

    Foreign Company - give Valkyrie a Harris link option. Feels weird that the Sectorial’s dedicated melee expert only has Core options.

    Spiral Corp - maybe make Longarms into a traditional HI unit, albeit of poor quality? I can see Tohaa strapping these poor fools down with inferior inorganic armour and then pushing them forward to absorb fire.
     
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  10. oldGregg

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    Frickin love this idea! A vanilla merc option would be sweet.

    That said -
    (This might be way too crazy)
    I would love to see everything have the ability to link with anything. Even in vanilla. Maaayyybe make some exceptions.
     
  11. TheRedZealot

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    They tried that once, everyone griped and moaned and now they're called Spiral Corps.
     
  12. oldGregg

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    I think the griping was probably from the fact that only one faction could do so ... I'd like to see every faction go that route. (Crazy as it is).
     
  13. TheRedZealot

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    Oh I wasn't being too serious either way I'll admit. Personally I dont see much of an upside to switching the game that way. Mixed Links becoming as prolific as they are is already starting to get into some weird ground.
     
  14. oldGregg

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    Mostly agreed! Sometimes I just think it would be fun to see them lean all the way into the mechanic. By know means do I think its needed :)
     
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  15. TheRedZealot

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    I think my issue with it is it feels as if theres more 'solved' lists. With most vanilla armies there feels like there is major ambiguitiy. How to do value certain units? What tools do those need to perform. This happens less with Sectorials which is somewhat expected because they are limited in their choices. But more and more the mixed links say hard and fast "this is the best link"

    How many CHA's do you see without ~4 Volunteers standing around with a Grey AP HMG now? 90%? With the remaining 10% being LI lists? Abit of an overstatement I'm sure.
     
  16. D-News

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    Yeah, that would be great.

    I guess more availability of Brawlers in ForCo and a link option for them would be great. Also I would love to see a second TO camo trooper, as ForCo should have the money to use the best available technology.
     
  17. roobot

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    I'm not sure if his has been mentioned, and I hate to flog a dead horse, but I'd like to see the most recent points increase on Scarface and the Anaconda rolled back. This has literally just popped into my head again as I had to drop a warcor off one of my old lists that I used yesterday and it bugged me! Lol
     
  18. FrozenMittens

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    JSA
    • Give Musashi smoke
    • Make Monofilament ignore Total Immunity
    • Give Shikami Forward Deployment lvl2
    • Give Kuroshi Rider smoke grenades
    • Give Aragoto Riders Holo Projector lvl2
    • Give ninjas smoke grenades
    • Give Oniwaban Eclipse grenades
    Druze
    • Add access to Al Fasid
    • Add a Heavy Infantry Unit with a wild card option and a haris option
    Edit: Pretty please and thank you.
     
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  19. Aemaru

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    UPDATED 12.08

    JSA
    • Yuriko Oda, Kempeitai : Make them wildcard.
    • Domaru : important trooper need much changes. Lower spitfire SWC price from 2 to 1,5 (they have HI taxe on it but have only BS 12) and lower their price by 2 or 3 pts. Give one profil tactical Awarness and a lieutnant SWC +1 and one lieutnant with a SWC discount (costing 1 swc). See below.
    • Shikami lower price by 2 or 3 points and give him Forward Deploiement 1.
    • Fireteams : - Make Mix fireteam with up to 1 or 2 tanko or domaru + up to 1 kempei + Keisotsu. Ikari have a mix ft with keisotsu and tanko .. why not JSA ? ^^ (or may be make Tanko count as domaru and a fireteam mixing up to 2 domaru and keisotsu ?) A tanko in that fireteam could be one solution among others to deal with MSV2 Multisnipers in 5 men fireteams.
    • Kitsune : From a game point of view she is as efficient as a speculoo. better in close combat but random like AD in deploiement, only one wound not automedikit. She should cost quite the same price as a speculoo. So About 35 pts. Not 47. see note below on CC abilities pricing. Or change Smoke to Eclipse grenade and give oniwaban smoke.
    • oniwaban : As for Kitsune they are weaker than a speculo, random as kitsune but without any smoke fearing template and mines. So less than kitsune.
    • saito togan : Profil ok if able to take specialist
    • ninja : ok change bow by smg : bow is less effective than pistols :D. Or change bow setting : make silent able to bypass 6th sens l2.
    • TR bot and ruishi at 1,5 cap : From fluff point of view it's cool but nothing justify this from gameplay point of view. Maybe give access to other drones like Pano for example without any taxe. or give acces to pano and yu jin with a 0,5 taxe ?
    • Keisotsu : Versus alguacil : 1 pt for BS+1,WIP +1 and cube versus V:courage and no cube. At least give them a cube ^^
    • I feel JSA lack a cheap extremly impetuous troops (kamikaze ?) at 5 or 6 pts. It could fit perfectly with the JSA background. (population pro emperor, honor code, military force fragile ready for self sacrifice, oppression by yu jin...) Could be troopers with charges they could detonate themself. Every faction do not have only bright side.
    With some little tweaks like these I think the faction would not be out of its fluff but would become more aligned with other factions. As it is now is really "hard mode". Overall high martial art and high cc are too pricey and make some good profils way too expensive.

    NOTE ON CC PRICING

    I think MA + CC should be payed as a weapon not as 2 separate things. There is something to fix in the way these abilities' cost are calculated in regard of the effectivness and impact on the field. During a game you use a couple of times CC abilities and the rest of the time your BS or PH abilities. But the prices for each caracteristics are quite equivalent... Idem for martial art. Would be nice to extract stealth and v:courage for the competence and to link (would be much more clear for new players to have all abilities written on the profil !) that to a certain level of cc... If you have CC25 and no NBW then you had to learn martial art ^^..

    On DOMARU
    In conclusion let's have a look at a comparison between Domaru and ZuYong. we can understand that they have not been release at the same time. Zuyong are supra optimized. And domaru are taxed for something they are not really (HI). I know Zuyong are an iconic troop, a strenght of the faction where domaru are not meant to be. But for 27 pts, you have a Combi zuyong and ... a chain rifle EM grenade. For 28 pts you have a combi FO zuyong .. it costs 36 pts for a domaru. If domaru were BS 13.. but they are only 12... And Domaru are frenzy so they should have a discount. It is very relative to the previous point on how CC/ martial art is priced. Or just give them smoke or nimbus ?
     
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  20. Section9

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    While I agree with pretty much all your points, I really don't think we should be encouraging suicide bombers in game. Even the Kuang Shi don't control when they get to go.
     
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