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Nomads in N4

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by psychoticstorm, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    15-5 shold have been riots' movement in n3 (as happened to other mobility armour. No surprises that this didn't happen to nomads). Is all HI become 15-5, MB would get a little better, but would remain the same in the faction's intern balance. The problem MB face is that they are one of the "basic template HI", so profile wise, I doubt that will change. I think there will be only changes in options. Maybe a non-tax haris as in the new pano sectorial could be a good option to make them more interesting. Or getting SWC reductions as others get, or getting specialist with extra utility, or.. there are a lot of options (but sorry, I cannot be possitive that we will get any of it but good options splited between profiles)

    but about CJC Boarding Party Fireteam of Wildcats being a core for n4. What makes you think so? until now, CB has neglected wildcats almost since their release (one of the few units in the game released after the use of 3d, with miniatures both in 3d and traditional sculpt, and remained untouched in the CJC review, even if they were not so used).

    I suppose that S5 HI will remain 10-10, so they have difference points to "standard" HI, but I wouldn't be surprised if even some S2 HI remain 10-10. CB usually don't maintain their own "standards" (there are MI with 10-10, nomads were told that never will appear a remote with 2 STR, and things like that)

    supposedly, nomads should be heavily using remotes, jet our avaiability for them is the same (in vainilla) or lower (in sectorials) than other not-so-focused factions (and the best ones are in factions that CB repeats and repeats that "its not their thing", since n1), maybe we will be having more models (and maybe even a better one, but I know it will not get to pi-well levels). I think remote wildcards should have been something unique to us, but us didn't get any of it, maybe in n4...
     
  2. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Dude chill with your persecution complex.

    Domaru, Magisters, Teutons and Asawira also all did not become 6-2.

    Also "I think X should" does not mean "I think X will".
     
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  3. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    but none of those are mobility armour in the lore, they are light, but that is not exactly the same. But I agree with that "I think X should" is not "I think X will", the same with "I would like X".

    sorry, I don't want to be gloomy all the time about this. But I also wan't to be realistic.
     
  4. redeemer

    redeemer Well-Known Member

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    what I want from N4:
    first: +2 movement for geckos and new models for them the old ones are good but I know CB can do better a few more weapon options won't hurt too.
    second: new remotes the models we have are not too bad, but I want a new shinies.
    third: a new pilot model for the szalamandra. It is the best TAG in the game and it deserves a cooler looking pilot.
    fourth: new lizard + pilot I love the bootleg one, but a new one with a weapon would be nice.
    fifth: making all MI 4-4 movement the 4-2 crap makes our best units far too immobile.
    sixth: new moran models.
    seventh: since we won't see any of those this year, a new Corregidor set would be nice preferably without wildcats(unless they get redesigned and even then I would rather get alguaciles).
     
  5. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    I'd really be surprised if MB become 6-2 and Geckos don't as well. Geckos stand to gain a lot from N4. But I'd be surprised to see them become 6-4.
     
  6. Spellbreaker90

    Spellbreaker90 Well-Known Member

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    Mobile Brigada suffer the same fate of the Pano ORC. He is the vanilla HI in profile and cost, but that means a relative high cost and no fancy tricks. For this reasons it's better spending a little more points for having an HI that at least gives a true advantage on the field. I mean come on why I should I spend 39 point for a MB when for 11 more point a can get a Kriza Borac with the same loadout that is better in everything ?

    My idea is that Vanilla HI simply doesn't work, or you make them really cheap (under 30 point) or you make all the HI be something more than just a brute with high profile.
     
  7. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Really? That's what I was expecting to happen.
    The crit buff to armor and being able to squeeze thru small spaces already makes Geckos better. There's a lot of potential in N4 for them, especially because they've already proven that they are watching the Geckos with all the updates they get.
     
  8. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    That could be true when geckos were the only tags in 40mm bases. But now? which from the spoiled new rules is specially a good update for geckos that isn't for any other TAG after they were one of the most hit with the tactical awareness tax?
     
  9. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    All TAGs used to be on 40mm bases, in the run up to N3 most TAGs got moved to 55mm but the Sphinx also stayed at 40mm, and the Stingray TAGs were 40mm from the launch of N3.
     
  10. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    well, I tend to forget about sphinx, sorry. I meant in the "human sphere". All TAGs from the human sphere went from 40 to 55 except for the Gecko (because of its lore), even the stingray, but after a lot of complaints, CB accepted and changed it
     
  11. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Well they got their SWC reduced and got the best pilot. But why would they need an update that doesn't help other TAGs?
     
  12. Ghost87

    Ghost87 Well-Known Member

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    I tend to not compare Geckos to other TAGs but rather to HI. Their Weapons are nothing to write home about but they usually get the Job done. Their feat is the high ARM and W Attribute and that the Pilot is able to fight on so it is durability in contrast to e.g. a similarly priced Kriza whose role is to bring the pain. Geckos are ideal for Zone keeping missions and kill missions because they don't sell their points for cheap.
    From that standpoint Geckos might get a slight boost from the new armor rules. What rather annoys me is the gambling with repairing manned TAGs, it makes tactics more luck-dependent and succeeding with Geckos already requires some luck on its own.
     
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  13. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    If you're not repairing from unconscious and using a Clockmaker the risk/reward is much higher to the reward than most actions in the game. I also find that Geckos are less luck based than most units due to the stable W attribute vs. something like Intruders that can just roll their shots low.
    In my experience Geckos have fewer peaks and fewer dips in performance. I have lost one to dead in one burst before (MULTI HMG out of cover, still an amazingly small chance) but it's rare to even lose every wound in one turn much less a few orders.
     
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  14. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    SWC reduced? they pay 0'5 for a 0 SWC weapon so, no (maybe you mean from when they were reduced from 2 to 0'5... paying 2 was an absurd heavy task). And what I mean, is that broad bufs will affect geckos, but also any other TAG, like the extra Tactical awareness, but if they have to pay, but a cutter don't has, well... they become worse little by little. Also, they were limited in weaponry using the size as an excuse (The same excuse as to why scarface or anaconda, other smaller TAGs compared with the big heavy in other factions, remained on S7), but broken again for the stingray, and now for the new YJ one. What I would like is a look into each one by one, instead of a broad buff that only a few ones pay for.
     
  15. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Do I have to explain why a refitted TAG on Nomads follows different rules?

    That's what everyone wants. I don't have that information. I can only mention which known changes will make them a more competitive pick in their sectorial.
    We don't have the new profiles yet. Just chill for a bit.
     
  16. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    I would like to know why do you think CB has been looking specifically on geckos for the upgrades, and why a Nomad TAG should follow different rules than other manned TAGs
     
  17. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Geckos got stats modified and had their SWC cut, that was attention just on them. Geckos are basically first second and third place for best pilot, when they were updating every TAG pilot they decided Geckos should have a special one. Geckos were given a special duo option with Brigada/Tsyklon.
     
  18. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    well, there we diverge. The initial gecko's SWC tax was heavily absurd. 2 SWC for a 0 SWC weapon was plain wrong, and they are still paying 0,5 for a 0 SWC weapon "because is a TAG", so still a tax (as in some other nomad troops. The BTS was improved, I will accept that, yet, it wasn't their problem: where the easiest TAG to hack, now from the easiest, to tie with others in that spot, while they remain as one of the weakest in raw power. The fireteams that CJC got was the bare minimum to fix the sectorial, but there were no unit review as other reviewed get, so what I see is that "CB takes a look in geckos, but using leftovers".

    A good TAG check was what presence remotes TAGs got, a free operator for free again (presence remote is almost free, but comes with extra inconcious level and inmune to expulsion, so they cannot have their pilot killed easily), without any malus, and when they reduced the stingray to S6 because all rants from a faction, while stingray was more used than any other nomad TAG in that edition, or the free TacAwa for all TAGs over 75 points while the cheaper pay for it. When 2 troopers get an skill, both performing the same for its cost (And not sure gecko performed as well as tikbalangs, even if now, tikbalangs were fielded less than geckos because their cost), both getting the same skill, but the better performing doesn't have to pay for it, then there is a bias. The reason? I have my theories, but I don't know for sure, of course
     
  19. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    So many units only need that much attention and don't get it. They can get in line in front of Geckos, Geckos are in a usable state and are looking to get only more competitive already.
    I'm done talking about Geckos for N4 unless someone wants fantasy profiles.
     
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    Smiler Well-Known Member

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    What, like:

    Broadsword and Shield 43pts
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    Heavy crossbow, Mace 49pts
     
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