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New wave of Varuna rumors (OMG)

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by barakiel, Sep 29, 2018.

  1. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    The army 6 says "up to 3 Fusiliers and up to 2 Orcs varuna"

    SO 1x Orc varuna division + 4x Fusiliers is valid.
     
  2. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    oh man, yeah thought the comment was that its bad, not that its illegal.

    hmm

    Nah hes right, you need a 5th member, hmm
     
  3. Lorick

    Lorick Member

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    Up to 3 fusiliers means that you can only have a maximum of 3 fusiliers on the link right? how is 4 fusiliers + 1 orc valid?
     
  4. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    yeah misread it
     
  5. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    I still think you want to run an ORC in a Core, a Kamau+ORC+3 Fusilier team is going to be good
     
  6. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    So I think this is then a strength and a drawback. It does make the link more exspencive to put a Kamau FO in (9 pts) But that gives you a wip13 specialist in the link and a back up light attack piece for hte link.

    Its cost me an order in the list im running it in.
     
  7. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    I think I was reading that 3 as a four. I feel foolish now. Hahhahahaha.

    I've been going with 3x Fusilers +1x Kamau + 1x Orc, too good to pass up. Its only +10 points to go from HMG fusiler to HMG Kamau. At least I haven't made a mistake on the tabletop.
     
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  8. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Im leaning the same

    But making the Kamau the specialist.

    Actually as much as this might seem like a kick in the teath Im finding more inderesting optoins for just the cost of "1 order" an order I potentially dont lose if I take Patsy

    Yeah also lliking this

    VIRD2
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    [​IMG]6
    ORC (Varuna Div.) (Multiterrain: Aquatic/Jungle, Stealth) HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 45)
    KAMAU (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
    KAMAU Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    3.5 SWC | 135 Points
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  9. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Yeah, I usually run something like this in ASA:

    Shock Army of Acontecimento
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    [​IMG]6
    REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REGULAR (Minelayer, Sensor) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
    REGULAR Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    BAGH-MARI (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    ORC HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 44)

    4 SWC | 118 Points

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    Which gives me a really flexible options, all for dirt cheap. A wip 13 specialist, a way to deal with camo, and a huge gun. I'd love to mimic something like this is Varuna, in fact I was excited to, but no luck. I'll have to change my gameplay a bit. Patsy is an option – just because she let's us use the LT. order on the link which kind of mitigates it's cost. But this might end up being my go-to:

    Varuna Immediate Reaction Division
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    ORC (Varuna Div.) (Multiterrain: Aquatic/Jungle, Stealth) HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 45)
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    KAMAU Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    KAMAU (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)

    3.5 SWC | 131 Points

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    I'll also have to do some experimenting with the Feuerbach, and see if that has a place over the HMG. I only say I prefer doing this in ASA is because the link, I find, is ultimately more effective. The Varuna version is slightly more expensive, lacks sensor, and has no mines for mid-field protection. Obviously Varuna has benefits of it's own like MSV2 instead of 1 and higher BS, but I think when it flips to the active turn the ASA version is a bit stronger
     
  10. Make PanO Great Again :P

    Make PanO Great Again :P Varuna, with the deadliest reptiles in the sphere

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    Yea, you are getting link bonus for cheap, sure, that is good, but dont make a joke man, no one is going to use it as a solo

    The Zuyong is paying less, getting an extra order and can be part of links that are just much much more, for real
    Not only that but it doesn't have to stop when it gets to 10 orders

    In the end Orc are the only HI we can use (there is the Montesa, but that is something different), and its expensive for what it brings, thats just a fact of life, he is good beat stick when in a link, amazing is too big a word for that.

    I only played NCA (no link for HI) and Vainilla (no link at all) so about that last part i cant give an opinion.

    Just different opinions i guess
     
  11. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    anyone else floored by the fact that Teucer got Climbing Plus?
     
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  12. xammy

    xammy Keeper of Random Facts and Strong Opinions

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    @MikeTheScrivener You could probably get a more comparable fireteam with the following:

    Varuna Immediate Reaction Division
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    ORC (Varuna Div.) (Multiterrain: Aquatic/Jungle, Stealth) Feuerbach / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 43)
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    FUSILIER Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    KAMAU (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)

    3.5 SWC | 119 Points

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    This at least is only 1 point more (3 if you go with the ORC HMG). What I'm most excited about is that you can reform a link if pieces start falling off with other wildcard troops or more fusiliers, which is something that is possible in ASA but not nearly as flexible.
     
  13. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    as previously discussed in the thread, 1 ORC + 4 Fusiliers is not a valid link team. As soon as the Kamau dies the ORC cannot reform at 5 members with his Fusilier buddies. This is the main difference when comparing to ASA, as ASA lets you min-max with dirt cheap cheer leaders. Varuna does not.
     
  14. xammy

    xammy Keeper of Random Facts and Strong Opinions

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    I probably should have posted the rest of my list that includes more wildcards to swap in as needed. Though I'm curious when making a mixed fireteam the wildcards can stand in for both ORCs or fusiliers correct?
     
  15. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    yes, they can be either. A Kamau can count as either an ORC or a Fusilier. To amend your link you've posted above, id remove the Fusi para with a Kamau para, since 4 Fusiliers and an ORC is illegal, taking the 4th Fusilier is kind of useless.
     
  16. xammy

    xammy Keeper of Random Facts and Strong Opinions

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    Fair enough, though I wonder why you aren't using a Kamau forward observer + fusilier paramedic to save a point and give you a better FO/flash pulse in the kamau.
     
  17. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    because the deployable repeater is ultimately more useful than a better Flash Pulse ARO in my opinion. Although of course, you can always include the Fusi para, Kamau FO, and a Fusi FO.
    I just like to try and min-max in my lists where applicable.
     
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  18. xammy

    xammy Keeper of Random Facts and Strong Opinions

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    Ah, I had feeling this was the case. I've often found the deployable repeater to be something of an order sink since I usually have bot with repeater running around doing other things as well as be a repeater. I also face dog warriors pretty regularly and having a flash pulse handy (or abundant) has been helpful.
     
  19. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    sure – it's nice having some type of defense for your ORC built into your link team. The 8 pt bot is really really nice and I always take 2 in all my lists, but it ends up being more order efficient if you're already running your link up the board any way. think of it more as a defensive play than an offensive one.
     
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  20. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Well fuck.

    Because ASA needed even more power xD
     
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