doesn´t sound so difficult to mod, depends how the hands come, but if its with a sword/pistol pointing forward its easy, specially because you can greenstuff a handguard
Gras is greener etc. BS13 mimetism is superb in any faction. Getting it on 2 wounds for less than 40 points is insanely good. 7ish points (uselessly comparing to kamau) for a wound and other skills and access to mates is... Extremely good. I have no idea why tohaa players talk of changing the faction. It is very good. It's in top tier in every single tournament I have heard of it being at. The number of tohaa v tohaa top tables I've seen is absurd.
I kind of agree - automedkits>paramed... In odds and access once wounded. No orders spent getting there. They're also like 4-12 points or some craziness depending on troop. The one on sogorat looks almost like it could just be a third wound, or NWI, which is, after the expenditure of an order, the same thing as his automedkit... 75% of the time lol. Granted I've had soggy come up 2 or 3 times in one match. Ive also had both just crap out on the first try. The main gist of my opinion is that dice-reliant skills and equipment make up the majority of skills and equipment which don't seem lucrative due to cost:risk:reward comparisons.
ehhh, I was hoping more for a spear lance than a jousting lance. just my personal tase. also I don't think I'd feel confident in green stuffing something like this. eeehhhhh, just redo the whole faction at this point imo. the internal balance is knocked so far out of whack
There's some stuff they have that doesn't seem to get used at all. A few troops show up in every list for that sectorials, it seems, but I think that means just costing adjust or adding some neat things to the less used stuff would do. That, or as CB has been doing, more scenarios that encourage the usage of these troops. You're not gonna find many airborne troops in beach assaults. Why would people take troops not applicable to the scenario? It's one of my favorite things in this game that different circumstances demand different approaches. Then again, some troops are pretty much always good for everyt mission, and that's not ideal.
I love how much PanO players seem to ignore their own toys, claiming they are boring, weak, or éven non existing. You have Swiss Guard (= our top HI Hac Tao), you have Aquilla Guard ( = our top HI Hsien), you have Orc Troopers (= Whatever you deem YJ standard HI, but with better BS..) You have HI with Holoprojector L2 (No YJ equivalent), 2 very good Jeanne D'Arc, Defersen, cheap as chips Panzerfaust HI, HI with Mechanized deployment (No YJ Equivalent), HI with 360° Visor (No YJ Equivalent) , and a bunch of other HI which might not have fancy tools but good stats for wht they are.... And you have all that with PanO BS, and in case of the knights often above "PanO Curse" WIP.... And to add to this you have all the TAGs in the world, as opposed to YJ's 1 nothing special at all vanilla TAG. Sure you have no Su Jian, Dao Fei or Yan Huo, but laugh about me claiming that PanO has a crapton of HI AND TAGs? It must be nice to be so spoiled with good options that you don't even consider them options as you have way better things at your disposal anyways...and now even a HI BIKER?..... Like I said, Invincible Army might shift the balance again in this regard, but at this moment PanO is just as capable a HI Faction as YJ, AND they have all the TAGs in the world... Anyways, better get out of here, too much "PanO Privilege" for me :-P
That's why it's a transforming jet ski/motorcycle, like from the Spy Hunter games. Either that or it's a jetbike like this: A lance is really only good for a single strike, your first attack on the charge. A sword is good for multiples. Though I supposed I'd rather use a pistol or short rifle for the in-contact fighting than a sword.
When I go into the Yu Jing forum it's to build up the faction, to encourage and exhort. And when you come here you do this. ... I wonder what is bringing the tone of these forums down.
Yea, YuJing has this poor guy with camo and infiltration. Obviously a virgin Daofei and Chad Montesa ^^
Okay, I'll bite. The Hac Tao has several benefits from giving up 1 BS. For starters every profile has a nanopulser giving it tge ability to force bad aros. It gains 1 wip which helps its specialist profiles which also include the killer hacker aka the counter to your counter. It also has executive order profiles and the missile is cheaper than the swiss. Top it off with kinematica to help the occasional dodge and cc19 to discourage melee. The Hisen has access to smoke in faction making it far better in gun fights. If that's not enough then again nanopulsers on all profiles, access to tinbot B and Lt hmg options with wip 14 for lt roll. Further MA lvl 1 again helps against CC and gives courage and stealth which is all highly valuable on HI. All that in trade for 1 BS and auto discover. The most direct comparison to the orc would likely be the Shang Ji which presents far better defense with tin bot b, wip 13 and bts 6. Access to cheap specialist profile. SWC loadouts are completely different especially since the orc will finally be getting its aro weapon the fueurbach while the Shang has had spitfire and h rocket for some time. The 9nly problem has been that you can't even Haris the Shang as the sectorial hasn't been released. If you want to compare to wu ming then there is no competition as the price alone clobbers the orc. Holo 2 is not a good spitfire delivery system and the unit has severe price issues. You have Sun Tze Magisters largely function for cheaper links and struggle on their own. Zuyong are going to be amazing in links and have a superior variety of options and better stats Montesa are essentially the counter part to Daofei. Daofei are ridiculously good while montesa struggle with low defenses in the middle of the table. We have 360 visor HI while you have x visor sensor HI. Very similar weapon choices with a swap of em grenades for a 2nd nanopulser and 3 bts. Our "other" HI meaning teutonics are considered crap by everyone without reserve in and out faction. Meanwhile you gloss over the Yan Huo and Sujian with very ho hum enthusiasm. You do not understand your own faction's HI much less PanOceania's or else you would understand how strong your HI really are over PanO.
Exactly what @Judge Dredd said. Most of PanO and YJ HIs roster has its counterparts in the other faction. Both have access to few unique ones. But YJ HIs are optimized better by design. This means they might get some additional minor boost, like Kinematika on Shang Ji. This means they have more weapon options and access to secondary weapons, like Nanopulsers and LFTs. This means they might sacrifice that 1 BS for getting 1 WIP and often better BTS. And as was just pointed out, their unique stuff is really unique, while ours consists of Teutons and Father-Knights, both in severe need of reworking. One unique PanO HI that really shines is Guarda de Assalto.
Whoa! (Only downside is that a quad like that is too wide to drive 'on the lines' in stuck traffic, though I think that's an issue for anything as wide as a Jet Ski, too...)
Yes, and what? When YuJing gets their own Tikbalang, Cutter, Seraph, … we talk about it, ok? This is when you detect a faction is being spoiled. It might be crap for you but the rest of your statement is a big lie. BS 14, BTS 6, Berserk HI with panzerfaust and exp CCW that doesn't fear sepsitor is crap… It has always seemed to me like a YuJing profile instead of a PanO one. It's actually a Domaru that sligthly trades more CC power for increased firepower. But it's crap because designers refused to give them link options, nor specialist options (because lately it is the trend any unit must be able to accomplish all ITS objectives alone or it's useless), nor they are a CC cruiser missile able to frag any target on the table (because they lack any kind of smoke, something designers didn't want to give either to the closest thing to a Teuton, the Domaru).
No reason to use name-calling. On their own Teutons would be ok (though elite HI armed with Combis should be banned). It's just that they don't offer anything over say, a Hospitaller or Santiago, taht would be useful enough to offset the things they offer over Teuton. It should be remade not to made it useful, but to make it useful in faction.
I hate to break it to you but nobody else will. I'm afraid panzerfausts aren't magic. Also there is no Santa Claus. B1 active turn is not a good solution to pretty much anything, but a rather desperate one. ARO it's a reasonable deterrent but it's not helping the Teutonic knight establish much as its paired with a combi rifle. You both induce and reduce the CC aspects of him. What is he supposed to be then, an aro piece trying to be ins oppressive fire? If anything, your complaints highlight one of the major issues in that it's trying to cc and range at the same time with insufficient support to either. He's a relic of bygone design. Bs14 isn't a saving grace, it's something I consider a detriment as those points could be spent improving his ability to do something unique for PanO. You keep claiming PanO is spoiled and you have failed to make an effective argument outside of "teutonics exist." You didn't even bother to try and refute any other point I made about the various advantages Yu Jing gets in its HI. So allow me to throw something controversial but better supported at you: JSA needed to go or else Yu Jing would possibly break the game with the invincible army because it is a very spoiled army. There is a 50+ page thread of salt in your forum about something that you knew would happen one day. You want a faction that has literally everything going for it, warbands, HI, board control, camo shell game, cheap orders, CC masters, gunfighters, infiltration experts, superb specialists, access to the best tech, smoke, the arguably best AD troop in game and you have to give up access to a variety of TAGs, oh no. TAGs are massive investments with a multitude of counters that makes their value questionable much of the time and you still have one and your heavy infantry Yan huo Carrie's TAG amounts of firepower. Looking at the YJ forum it seems that you wanted all of that plus strengthening your HI game even further. And the proof is in the pudding, ISS is one of the top performing armies in the game and vanilla YJ is a very solid army all around still without JSA. So if you want to argue that any faction is spoiled you had better come back with a better argument than "teutonics."
Jeez, it's almost like YJ has superior HI because that's their thing. And PanO has superior TAGs, because that's their thing. its almost like that's what makes these two factions play different, it's almost like their fluff is well represented in gameplay. huh. /end sarcasm Seriously, trying to argue PanO has better HI than YJ is a useless claim. YJ almost always has a counter part that is slightly better and slightly cheaper. especially looking at the internal balance of the faction, in a vanilla setting half of our HI is kind of useless. it's almost all over costed combi rifles. What's next, you're going to be mad at Haqq claiming they have superiority over you because they have the same amount of S5 HI, and thats cramping on your style? come back when PanO has a su-jian equivalent
