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Discussion in 'Access Guide to the Human Sphere' started by wuji, Sep 22, 2021.

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  1. wuji

    wuji Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, you cant justifiably throw my example of complexity at me, you can say it all you want of course, it just wouldnt be the truth because I said that to explain how much work would go into my suggested rule, not that my suggestion would take place un ARO. So if we're gonna continue civilly it'd be best to retract that as your argument for trying put me in a gotchya position.

    Well, that's just it, worth its weight in complexity is subjective. It's purely an offensive skill so it'll only be worth it to players who get to use it.

    I'll give you this, that was the best description of the argument for addition Dodge burst in the active turn over just getting and increased Dodge target number.
     
  2. wuji

    wuji Well-Known Member

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    Game situation and niche are the same thing and you're so grossly mistaken about much of the rest. I'm not here claiming that any suggestion is a magic pill, I'm not out here suggesting any of my ideas are perfect and wouldnt benefit from communal refinement. You're literally trying to say I shouldnt suggest shit at all unless I've essentially put in as much work as an entire CB team. Yeah okay, take your elitist gatekeeping ass outa here, go back to GW. The only thing I dont like when it comes to criticism about anything I've said, is the complete rejection posts. Like "no", "did you even think", "it wont work", yeah tell me these people are shit throwing. I dont think you actually know what a troll is. But we're done because if you're this oblivious to the facts of asshole behavior in this very thread, well, Darwin has a bone to pick with you.
     
  3. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    I think you need to look at my tone across my posts here and rethink if I am trying to "gotcha" anybody. You said "Well, I dont think anyone suggested it for ARO, I know I certainly didnt" and I said that the only mention of ARO in this context was the example you gave. I am agreeing with you - not every post in this thread is an attack!

    That said, my response that example still hasn't been addressed effectively IMO. It's two different models with two different skills instead of one model with two different skills, not to mention that both skills are effectively "dodge"

    I think people are talking past each other here. Complexity = amount of rules and particularly rule exceptions that need to be internalized to play a game. Depth = how players can interact with each other in meaningful ways in the game. You want the maximum depth possible from the minimum complexity possible. Creating a one off, "F2F rules are broken here and work differently just for this one rule" is comparatively a lot of complexity for adding comparatively little depth.
     
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    wuji Well-Known Member

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    Well let's skip to the game aspect of the conversation, we have target number, Burst and f2f/normal roll modifications to the game. Another degree in which to play the game adds variety. And no the complexity isnt any harder than the example I gave earlier at all. I explained, after that the responsibility is no longer mine.
     
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    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    You haven't explained anything though.
     
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    Now you know why I responded the way I did.
     
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  7. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    No, they aren’t. Is English a second language for you?
    Game situation = state of the game and the rolls affected by your proposed rule change.
    Niche = what profiles would have the rule and the role that they would fill during play, along with the playstyle and factional identity that they would support.
    I don’t think I am mistaken, after reading your posts.
    No, I’m saying that you haven’t even made a minimal effort to understand how your proposal would work.
    “These people” have seen your posts before.
    I know what a troll is. You’re not a troll though, you’re not smart enough.
     
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  8. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    Thats a good point, I'd only considered it in light of dodging attacks. But I think that bell curve is less important in a pass/fail system that it is in a degrees of success system.

    Would love to see bonus dodge on some Samurai units and on Haqq supersoldiers
     
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    wuji Well-Known Member

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    And yet again the reason why this forum has but a handful of people, a gatekeeping circlejerk. Go fuck yourselves ;)
     
  10. Dragonstriker

    Dragonstriker That wizard came from the moon.

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    Right.
    WE’RE the problem, not your consistently inadequate explanation of your ideas for rule changes.
    You know, not once have I seen you state WHY you’re proposing a change. Zero times. I guess I was too busy gatekeeping to notice all the times you did, but that’s okay, you can link them, right?
    Right?



    @wuji, you can link to where you stated the reason for your proposed changes, can’t you?
     
  11. WiT?

    WiT? Well-Known Member

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    @wuji you've spent three pages not giving anything to back up your arguments or ideas and then talking shit when that doesn't magically convince people to agree with you.

    This is the reason this forum is so fucking dead and toxic, this bullshit right here.

    Those 'gatekeepers' have it right - shutting you down hard and fast is an infinitely better idea than trying to engage the argument in good faith.
     
  12. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    I think this tread needs a bit of a pause at this point.

    Calm down a bit and resume discussion later.
     
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