Is there any not-Impetuous not-Sk troop that you'd go "yeah them getting Duo would be a problem"? I can't think of any. Hmmm, taking this idea to the N4 suggestions thread. I disagree with you on the Alg + Tsyklons being necessary. I do agree that it's the most optimal option, but I honestly think that based on Wildcats coupled with some profile based improvements for MB and 'cats you'd have seen a similar factional performance improvement but with more character. Adding Tsyklons and MB to Algs was easy and effective, but boring.
I guess I just don't want my new toy taken away haha. By N4 I'll be sick of it though and ready for improvements more like your suggestions ;)
Some have that now and I wouldn't mind making that the standard. I think all of mine have it already (Geckos and Odalisques). I just don't see that breaking any factions but I could be wrong.
I don't recall seen CB doing that kind of rework for nomads. We get the optional "devices" in the not so used weapon profiles (as for the tinbot for HI, and only for HM was in a specialist profile, but in the expensive one, making him more expensive), never in a multi or long range weapon, and rarely on specialist, so we have to choose between the special equipment or specialist profile.
Have you seen the other sectorials that haven’t been heavily updated since H3N3? QK, HB, ISS, NCA, Morats and USARF are all in a similar place to CJC and Bakunin. NCA only lucked out with the Bolts update because of FoCo. It’s not the case that Nomads are CB’s whipping boys, just like it wasn’t the case that they were Mary Sues when that was the complaint before TJC dropped. It’s just CJC and BJC are showing their age and CBs focus has been elsewhere. Nomads are largely a feature complete faction. We’ve got a disproportionately high proportion of recent models. This means us not being a focus of CBs is reasonable. Sure, that’s a touch disappointing, but it’s a fact of life given release cycles. It’s why I’m hopeful for the rebaselining that N4 represents: it’s a chance for CB to do exactly what we want, revisiting sectorials, units and profiles that haven’t got a proper update since HSN3.
no, bolts were reworked an extra time after FoCo (point reduction when total inmunity), but that is a thing that seems will only happen to pano, so is the same for every other faction. And other sectorials rework touched both profiles and fireteams, but for CJC were only fireteams. My point is that, from dessign point, nomads have the tools splited, our troops are more "specialized" so we don't have the cheap options in the cheap useful profiles. For example, look at the 300 point box release, they waited a few moths to "fix" the no-lieutenant option inside, and instead of putting it to the HMG (something typical for most factions), they put the option to the BSG. If they have to fix something, it will take time. nomads being the mary sues come from the firsts ITS, where specialists where much more important than now. There was a lot of hate to nomads and even with that, having lieutenants as specialist then, pano, aleph and EC were at the top of the tournaments thanks to cutter, achiles and avatar doing all the work. Nomads and ariadna were the ones at top without the big guy and the first ITS without specialist lieutenant showed that, and pano/aleph people complained a lot because they lost their biased meta and easy wins. After that, every ITS needs less specialists, missions are more shotty, and most factions got more cheap specalist to compensate, but the "hate" to nomads (i know it is not exactly hate) remains even if they are now more in the mid-tier faction. When CB made a poll about which sectorials people wanted to see, TJC was the most awaited for nomads, jet CB released it without almost no marketing or special promo, and got surprised when it got so good sales? nah, CB just knows that nomads sellings are good, so they do not need to spend much work on it, and they also know that some people will calm any complaints (which is what is happening all the time in the forums).
Considering all these sectorial extinction butthurts, the lack of clear communication with community and nothing to do untill we get their statement - here's a thought: What if they drop Bakunin altogether and replace it with Black Hand in N4? How big of a deal that would be?
black hand could be interesting. Kusanagi has worked for it, and Brando, but also some troopers from TJC and CJC. The good things I see, is that then we could see the templars. at the beggining of N3, when CB talked about new sectorials, black hand was one of the expeted ones to appear (our 4th one, as other factions had),but instead they released some unasked NA2. An now with recent rumours without answer from CB, I am not sure what to think about if I want it or not. If it means discontinuation of one of our sectorials, I don't like. If it only means that one of the sectorials will become OOP but their rules remains, I see no problem.
MRRF-like OOP? Oh, I'd rather not (Although that's pretty much what they are right now). Although I'd love to see covert-operations focused Nomad force.
yes, something like that, is not a good option, but if CB wants to put a 3 limit to the sectorials in production, BJC seems to me the candidate for it (or maybe CJC, both have some old models, but BJC has more). And retaining the rules is better than loosing them. Zeros and spectrs are the nomad specialists for covert-operations. Maybe we could se a triple zeros non-character unit. Who knows
This, but... What would lose a sectorial home? TMs, Grrls, Moderators, Morlocks, Uberfalls, Z&P (maybe), and Lizzie. Observance is closely associated with the Black Hand. So we keep those. Zeroes and Prowlers both fit the Black Hand well. So likely to keep those; although I can see Prowlers going (but they do fit really well, so I'd be disappointed by that). TMs, Z&P and Morlocks all fit in well with Vanilla. So realistically Mods, GRRLs is what we'd almost certainly lose with Uberfalls and Lizzie at risk. That's a hit to the gut, but hardly the end of the world. Losing Observance entirely I'd spit chips over though: it would require retconning Black Hand, removing one of the archetypal Nomad units AND would take away the units that got me into Nomads. If however over the course of N4 they get placed into abeyance for Black Hand, retaining all their profiles... that I'd be basically OK with. I think it's a fair toss up between CJC and BJC who that'd happen to though. What I'd like to see for Black Hand though is something that feels very much like TAK is now: something that take Nomad`s midfield game and adds a solid core to stiffen it.
Black hand would just be vanilla with fireteams, and I doubt they'd nuke one of the mother ships. Going into N4 we are a complete faction, and short of the occasional new I don't see us getting anything new except for the new model here and there, with all the new sectorials being NA2 merc companies like StarCo and ForCo. Thats what I'd want for BJC, if they fixed prowlers and Moiras we'd be close to having it.
Pretty much. Although Black Hand would also have Bandits on top of that for ~ AVA 8 Camo Troopers, but would lose the Morlocks as a trade off. Potentially picking up Varangian Guard, Krakots or another merc warband as deniable assets. I think you could probably make Black Hand work... but it's probably not worth it. As you say, Vanilla already does a credible job of it.
The Bakunin ship is my favorite setting in the game. Blowing it up would be shaving off the top of the fluff for me.
Blowing it up without some significant narrative and game mechanics pay-off would annoy me.* Simply removing it from the game for several months to a year or from production for a couple of year's is what we're discussing though. * Yes, I'm talking about Nomads flipping to CA. I think probably that'd be a terrible idea but maybe it could be done not awfully. A traitor human sectorial is sectorial 5 for CA IMO (Sygmaa as 4). I think that would work better than flipping Nomads.
Deniable assets for off the books operations on foreign soil, TJC in its current form is largely the regular military/ security force that spend most of its time on Nomads ships and installations. Also TJC does hire mercs, Bounty hunters Ashcroft and Raoul.
They aren’t getting rid of any armies. The profiles that do not have physical models will be updated at a tbd date. They are focusing resources on the current range at the moment.
