A new merc seems likely, but I have a hard time envisioning the background of someone with ties to both the hassassin secret society and myrmidon army. Prior to Fiddler, HB had been a non-Merc list except Avicenna (and frankly the fact Fiddler is an available merc is silly, IMO), so who knows. Maybe Aleph invents a new version of Avicenna to replace the ones the hassassins and nomads claimed? Or that could be the point of mission; Aleph is creating this new Avicenna recreation and the hassassins are trying to nip it in the bud.
So I wonder what Hassassin profiles are being updated? I think the ones that need the most love would be Lasiqs, Govads, and Ayyar. Lasiqs feel plain, Govads need something to distinguish themselves, and Ayyar possibly need Forward Deployment or Infiltration to assist in there role as a specialist. Thoughts?
Well, Govads could use a tweak, sure. But being the (sole) MSV L1 troop (aside form Yara Haddad, who is MSV L2 and a Character) gives them, IMO, the pretty unique advantage when dealing with Mimetism - or Smoke. And Bahram tends to have good access to Smoke. I'd love the Lasiqs to get altered finally, but since they remained basically unchanged from the time they were introduced in N2HS, I'd assume they are exactly where Gutier intends them to be.
This location appears to be murdering every werewolf of any type in TAC that my friend throws at them. I would really like to see the shujae and yara haddad get a model as I’ve had fun with their profile (using an old janissary to count as for the shujae) but I would like to see the govads given a tweak, it’d give me an excuse to paint them before the other giant pile of haqqi minis I have to do…
Taking into consideration good COC, Veteran is quite expensive and non utilised skill, imho. if Govad would be HI it will be useful. But for MI veteran makes price high.
That's a good point. Usually, if you have lost your Lt, you are without a good part of your army anyway. Question, however: did anyone managed to calculate how much do the Govads pay for their Veteran skill? I mean, I get it: it is fluff-based, due to their legend as grizzled veterans (but this might be as well reflected by their Veteran Troop classification). On the other hand, 20pts for a pretty typical MI statline, but with MSV L1, doesn't seem to be all that much... Zhayedans swap the MSV L1 for Regeneration & Marksmanship (keep Veteran), and pay on average 5pts extra. Djanbazan upgrade MSV to L2, get Regeneration (at PH 13) and Terrain:Total, but skip Veteran, again for extra 5pts (they also get extra ARM but lose all BTS).
if you set up spec-ops, veteran costs 4 points, so it seems to be right - 4-5 point, which is quite expensive. 5 men in core cost 125 points with 5 wounds... meh( while hmg with msv1 in core is ok (not perfect), missle/sniper rifle cant stand for along
Has anyone tried a mixed Haris, yet? You can now freely mix Govads, Muyibs, and Lasiqs: Support Haris? ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 3 LASIQ VIRAL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 25) GOVAD Heavy Machine Gun / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 29) MUYIB Rifle, Grenade Launcher, Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 24) 4 SWC | 78 Points Open in Infinity Army I think the Muyib could be changed for a minelayer or doctor, though as a fully linked Ghulam NCO does the same as Muyib but better and cheaper.
4 swc for poor aro and attack... id take asawira instead of Govad. You have +2 to shoot in all targets and -1 to mimetism, meanwhile you have more chance to repeat attack (govad doesnt), to fight, to regenerate and etc
That is why I labeled as a support haris. You can still use asawira in a core as your main attack piece. HB also doesn't need seem to utilize its SWC that much so you usually have some to spare. But I am really just spitballing on some different approaches.
Asawira is at least a bit more expensive, and doesn't have the reach of a HMG. Now, I am not saying Govad is end all, be all - but I don't buy that "Govads are trash" narration either.
in my opinion support haris doesnt have to eat so many swc. Anyway, who are going to shoot with 12 bs to? there is good aro in core with 15-16 bs or allmost everyone is in total cover threatening you with templates. if you want to be in range and msv, id like to take Asa, Yara and NCO. Hereby you will get strategic deployment, possibility to fire through smoke without penalties on 0-24 and smoke for allmost the same price
In my last game I was shooting at BS 13 out of a Haris (true, it was an Azra'il, not a Govad. Different army, different tools). Did pretty fine in ARO. And just plainly murdered everything in his Active turn. If I had MSV, I would have been way better off against those pesky Mimetism -3 & -6 Steel Phalanx models. Bottom line: raw BS is nice, but it isn't be all, end all. It is all situational.
im my last game vs starmada, i rolled 3 succes only with 3 orders by Knauf :) 9 shots with b3 bs13 (13 15 17 / 11 18 19 / 9 17 20). Meanwhile Knauf has great modoficators to win ftf. I dont want to think what would be in case if opponents has mimetism or smthg else. at previous game asawira (ap spitfire) couldnt make a wound to GEcko in cover during 5 orders. Moreover Asa got crit from panzerfaust :) there is b4 bs 14 vs b1 bs 13 still. so, if dont win ftf for sure (bs 12 can't imho) you have to have more chance (Azrail has btw, but Govad doesn't) to shoot again. i dont insist but i wouldnt rely on average raw bs. bs14/15 is pretty good :)
Honestly I'm up for any change in HB. I already like their playstyle, and I'm happy to see some rework to give them some unique feeling. But I truly hope they will give some love to the Ayyar. One of the best miniature we have, with one of the most niche use
I'm really scared about the rework... First N4 hassasin went really "up" on the "table tier", but not for Asawiras shooting on 20's, but the flexibility you could use when making a list, not a single profile being mandatory... It was awesome, but now, after the fireteam's reworks, hassasin went again on the route of "some profiles" are usables, but others not, even it is hard to make lists because we have a extreme limit on ava for all the profiles. You even can't make a full fireteam of ghulams, you will need at least one wildcard, being Leila the cheaper...Even barids or avicena are too "no ghulam" for fireteam composition. They are many things I don't understand about the changes. Moreover, I don't feel confident of the new box, because I'm pretty sure the "spoiled brats" will be SSA not hassasin, so, I can only hope for hassasin to become as playable as it was back in early N4,plus a good review of profiles, not the thing they did with MO. So, I'm in a mood like, wait the best, prepare for the worst. Best regards!
Muyibs are going OOP in September, so there is the chance they could become the Hassassins Line Infantry. That could be interesting rework if they tweak the profile.
No they won't. In the whole history of CB, they never took an elite troop and turned them into a completely different troop. Muyibs will in all likelihood simply be resculpted. Worst chance is their profile will be replaced with or merged into something new, like Magister Knights. But they won't suddenly turn from an elite MI into a line LI.
