I had a game last night (TIC TAC TOE) against Yu Jing with almost the same list (changed Swiss AHD against a Hexa KHD and a Locust AHD basically). He had a Hsien Msv2 and I deployed my TO guys in HD. Worked like a charm to have them out of harms way until I killed the Hsien with my linked missile launcher *evil laugh! I have taken you guys advice to recamo when ever possible and I noticed that it really limited my opponents options. I was thinking about DrVics Uhlan list and wanting to try a variant with the limited insertion coming up. What do you guys think about this list? It is also soldiers of fortune så maybe Yan yans is a must have? TAG Limited insertion ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 UHLAN HMG, Feuerbach / . (2 | 99) CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. () SWISS GUARD HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 68) HEXA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 27) BOLT Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) FUSILIER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18) FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
The Bolt serves no real purpose besides having Drop Bears. I'd rather pick a Deva with sensor (maybe even as Lt.) to counter Camo troopers. But besides that it is a very solid list.
I was going for the drop bears but you're right it's not worth the points even though it's a back up piece for a full fireteam. I don't like the combi rifle Deva that much but have been thinking about getting one. Probably will try a "dry run" proxying the Deva with Emily Handleman. Could this list handle all three missions or is there a real problem coming my way?
You have to protect your specialists in Firefight to avoid giving away easy VP to your opponent. But the list itself is very viable for those three missions. But I'd still bring a backup list with one strong MSV trooper like the Aquila HMG if you face smoke/camo-heavy opposition like Ariadna. You're lacking the template weapons NCA usually uses to counter these threats if they don't bring an Aquila, Deva or Black Friar. I actually dislike the Deva model as well but I found the perfect proxy when I bought the Scylla/Drakios pack recently. Same weapons, same bots, same armor values as the Deva.
Limited Insertion with NCA. And Soldiers of Fortune. Gotta say that sounds like a dream. Simply add Saito and you instantly negate all of NCA's weaknessess while amplifying their strengths. Heck I'd go with a Saito + Aquila HMG + Swiss setup under those conditions. Full disclosure I maintain that Limited insertion is a shitty format that should die in a fire and has no business being a competetive format. Still this sounds fun.
I could go with the Aquila HMG here instead of the Swiss HMG right? I was thinking that I could easily convert the Machaon, Myrmidon Doctor-Officer as a Deva. Same armor and wounds in the profile and I like the big coats many PanO miniatures have so it will fit with the theme of the army. I haven't tried it yet so not sure what I have for opinion about it. Sounds like it's quite possible TAG heavy list creation. What do you think about this list with Saito? TAG Limited insertion 2.0 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 UHLAN HMG, Feuerbach / . (2 | 99) CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. () MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) AQUILA HMG / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 62) SAITO TOGAN Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, EXP CCW, Knife. (0 | 39) HEXA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 27) FUSILIER Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 14) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) 6 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army
Saito's good, but takes some finesse to use. He's not a unit that you can just casually get mileage out of, so I suggest practicing with him a bit if you want to follow that route. You're giving up a LOT to get him into the list (an effective Fusilier link team, Swiss > Aquila, etc.) I also am not sure I'd suggest him just for smoke shoot. You have to reveal Saito, giving away his position... Spend the Order to smoke throw, shoot with the Aquila, then recamo him, so that's 3 orders. You could take a Swiss and just do all that in 1 Order, unless you get really comfortable with Saito's melee capability for pressing attacks.
I tried out the list playing against Yu Jing in Supremacy. 5-4 victory but I don't think the game was good to analyse the list. Saito was point marking a camo marker the whole game on a roof in midgame and the fireteam was lobbing grenades killing HI's and whatever came in their way (lucky dice rolls). The TAG was parked in the opponents right quadrant ticking in points totally unopposed. I'm thinking about going with this for Frontline and Firefight (Lieutenant depends a bit) Killing my way through the field with some protection from the hacker Firewall program and use the Deva sensor to shout out the targets. Swiss or Aquila in tandem depending on position or what will hurt most. So how bad would this list be under the same circumstances as above? Alphastrike HI ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 AQUILA HMG / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 62) SWISS GUARD HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 68) SWISS GUARD MULTI Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 64) FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) FUSILIER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) DEVA Lieutenant (Sensor) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
Your list is very viable and I'm going to run a very similar list next month for our Interplanetario preparation tournament. My take on LI is: Alphastrike HI ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 AQUILA HMG / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 62) SWISS GUARD HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 68) SWISS GUARD Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 70) FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) DEVA Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser+Devabot / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) DEVABOT Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army The Swiss Guard AHD neuters most TAGs, can activate mission objectives and even destroy them afterwards while the Fusilier Hacker has to stay with his linkteam in the backfield to be most effective. I also replaced the Trauma-Doc with a Machinist because I find that countering Immobilized-2 is a much higher priority for Neoterra than maybe healing a wound or two. That opens up enough points to pick the "Auxilia++" profile for the Deva Lt. Sensor is much less important than usual because the Aquila covers that part handily.
I really like your list and gonna try it out first thing! (Bought the Aquila HMG yesterday so I'm all set) Was pondering a bit about it yesterday and thinking of doing the 2nd list with a Hexa KHD instead of the Deva for Supremacy. Do you try to hack TAGs with the Swiss AHD or just shoot it up at good range with AP Multi rifle? Is the Deva used defensively in the back field or more on the offence to burn markers and such? What causes Imm-2? (What I can see is that hacking usually causes Imm-1) Sorry for all the questions but I'm eager to learn! :D
The beauty of the Swiss AHD is that you can hack when it's useful and go for the Multi when it isn't. And generally speaking Immobilised lvl 2 is caused by glue effects and EM.
Basically what @AdmiralJCJF said. I face alot of Adhesive Launchers, E/M and Jammers in my local meta. So I worry much more about that effect than a random wound on a HI unit who can't be fully healed back anyways. The Swiss Guard Hacker is very good at cracking TAGs and HI. You do a surprise attack from inside a building or from behind a wall to immobilize (or take it over if you feel confident) the TAG. Then you leave your full cover (using stealth so it doesn't get an ARO) and start shooting it with your MULTIRifle while it can only reset to get rid of the Immobilized-1 state, which is a normal roll for both of you. To further reduce risks and to avoid being hit by the standard TAG Flamethrower you can just peak out of cover and move back while shooting. So you can hack it again if it makes its reset. This works against BTS6 TAGs much better than against the more hacking-resilient TAGs like the Avatar or the Jotum.
@AdmiralJCJF I'm learning to love the Swiss AHD more and more! Glue effects... what a weapon for a miniatures game (certainly breaking the 4th wall) @Commoner1 So I should go for IMM-1 hack for 1 round if I have the orders to shoot it to bits in the same turn and Imm-1 for 2 rounds (or possess) if it's late in the round and not much orders left? Could it work to go with this list as the 2nd list? Alphastrike Friar ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 SWISS GUARD HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 68) AQUILA HMG / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 62) SWISS GUARD Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 70) BLACK FRIAR (Albedo, Biometric Visor L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser, Drop Bears / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28) FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
1. I'd always go for an all-in move with Carbonite and all my available orders during active turns because it has DT "ammo" and a sweet +3 mod and maybe Total Control in reactive turns. If my numbers aren't wrong Basilisk is always inferior to Carbonite numberswise. 2. Your second list is also rock solid. The Black Friar is a very good close range defender and his Visor and Drop Bears shine against Infiltrators and Impersonators, although the Aquila already covers the TO/Camo part. He's still only a 1W model so I'd be careful when deploying him as he lacks the toughness of a Deva.
I've played two practise games and really like all three lists (deva, hexa KHD, black friar...). Not sure if I'm going with engineer or doctor though. My few sample games the doctor definetely shined and the engineer would have been useless or was when I played him. Depends on what I'm going to face in the tournament. I noticed that the swiss AHD sometimes is in the hack or shoot sweet spot in the active turn. Am I right when I say that if the reactive player ARO dodge I want to hack and if they ARO reset I want to shoot?
For sure, Dodge vs Reset is living the dream. Note that the though Swiss is such a good shot, that Hacking to make a target stationary often won't even be necessary against most targets. With that MULTI Rifle within 8 inches, the Swiss is looking at dominant odds vs pretty much any opponent in the game. The trick is just to avoid the opponent turning the tables on you... You don't want to get Hacked, templated, etc in return. I get most of my use out of the AHD in ARO. If you scrape all the enemy KHDa off the table, AVA3 Fugazi means you can actually put the Swiss with repeater coverage and hacking AROs.
It's me again with more wonderful listbuilding for yet another tournament I plan to bring NCA. I have never played with a spec ops before and not really sure what to make of it. Format 300p. 12xp spec ops. Missions Tic tac toe Comms center Transmission Matrix Hunting Party These are my lists at this first stage (without a spec ops atm) Is this viable and what should I exchange for a spec ops? Neoterran Capitaline Army ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 SWISS GUARD HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 68) HEXA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 27) AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4) AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4) FUSILIER HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 18) FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) GROUP 2 7 HEXA MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 32) CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) CSU Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army Neoterran Capitaline Army ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 SWISS GUARD HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 68) HEXA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 27) AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4) AUXILIA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle + AUXBOT_1 / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) AUXBOT_1 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4) FUSILIER Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18) FUSILIER Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) GROUP 2 7 1 GARUDA Tacbot Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 28) CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) CSU Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11) PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) 5.5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army
A spec ops is just a line troop, in this case a Fusilier so it'll take up a spot in the link team. It's basically a free SWC weapon. In NCA I find the best choice is MSR, BS13, and mimetism. People always expect too much of the spec ops and give them doctor, engineer, and hacker since we lack that stuff but they're too fragile and don't have the skill choices to make them point scorers.
Army doesn't seem to recognise it as a Fusilier for AVA purposes. Is this a bug and could I choose a Regular/order serg. as a base for the spec ops instead in that case? I was thinking on going the support route with doctor and engineer with good WIP and palbot for the support role not the specialist button pushing role. Should I just throw that thought out the window?
