From what I can read between the lines, Zuyong will be cheaper than Evaders and Jujak about a point cheaper still, unless they pick up extra abilities that are not in CodeOne. As in, they will cost similarly to our current Combat REMs and our current Bao. I'm ballparking the Zuyong Combi at 23 and the Jujak Combi+HFT at 22. Haidao looks like, again unless they gain extra stuff, to be about 5-6 points cheaper than an Evader with the same guns and that's ridiculously cheap, as in Haidao Red Fury for about 20 points and the MSV2 Sniper for maybe 28 Sombras have the cheaper FD2 compared to Zhencha's Infiltration, and I'm really uncertain about how much of a discount the Zhencha can look forward to, but it is very possible Zhencha could have their profiles all go below 30 - yes, 25-ish for the SMG Zhencha isn't unrealistic* in my opinion. Still, I'm hoping they pick some skills up to shake stuff up, such as Infiltration (PH+3) Now, if my estimates are true and they don't stack stuff on too much, the HI lists Yu Jing can build simply by being a faction with lots of HI and "Made In China" meme levels of cheap HI are ridiculous. We're talking about 14-unit lists entirely made of Heavy Infantry that aren't stupid or memey. * expecting it, however, is unrealistic
Dude the Evaders get C+, 0G Terrain, Fireteam Haris, Specialist Operative, Multirifle, D-Charges, and a Panzerfaust. 24 POINTS. If I get a 23pt fucking combi Zuyong I'm shouting bloody murder. Yeah I know points fuckery with NWI and Shock Immunity but still, all that for 1 point? That'd be a bigger rort than pre nerf Ghazi. If that Evader costs 24pts a shitty combi Zuyong better be no more than 20, preferably less.
I'm pretty sure the Evaders are gonna be better than Zuyong while Sombras will be better than Zencha and DaoFei, then we will still have to endure idiots talking about "YJ salt" when Nomads not only keep running HI better than Yu Jing like in N3 but totally crap on the "faction identity" lie. I really hope I'm wrong and our HI are gonna get amazing reworks, but I have no faith in CB and also it's hard to compete with new profiles where they are absolutely stacking every cost effective optimized skill with 0 fat to try and balance point costs.
I swear, the amount of doomsaying absolute dumbfuckery we've been having in the Yu Jing forums lately with a grand total of one fucking profile spoiled so far is mind boggling. There's a whole bunch of you who really need to decide real damned quick to get the fuck out of this game or go down to your local Aldi's and buy a discount stiff upper lip. Don't know about anyone else, but it's your utter negativity that's destroying the game for me right now, not the future profiles of my main faction. Perhaps. 20 points for Zuyong Combi (with Jujak a point cheaper and Haidao a point or two behind that) isn't unreasonable comparatively speaking, either, there's a lot of unknowns such as how much MULTI on a Combi now costs. Dude. A huge number of profiles are going to stay really close to the same. What we seem to be seeing is a huge discount on Heavy Infantry and Heavy Infantry specifically.
What the hell do you expect? CB has done nothing but disappoint for a few years now. I can't afford to play anything other than what I have! I'm trying to stay positive but they have done very little to make me think differently. They took away a third of my damn army, made me pay to build it up again. Then gave me two sectorals that feel half done. How am I supposed to feel when they then give other factions that equivalents to the guys that just gave us but better? It sucks man! And the one profile they give us of the Su Jian is not a huge difference from what we had! It's certainly better but not OMG-this-changes-everything-good.
Basic Shang Ji looks like he's 35ish so I don't think Multi Rifles are that much cheaper than before.
Dunno, like you said it's weird. Especially when the ORC isn't an optimised platform it's a basic kit that different regiments augment differently for their own terrain types.
The least I expect is to actually compare new profiles to new profiles. People are currently literally comparing new profiles to assumptions. We know CB cheats units using their system, but they don't typically cheat their system. Yes, it sucks to be on the butt end of the information teaser chain because of the tension/anxiety it builds up, but that's not what people are complaining about atm.
On, let me ask you (and everybody) a serious question related to this "assuming we are doing": do you realistically think DaoFei is gonna be less than 43 points in N4? Because that's what the more expensive Sombra costs, and it's better than a DaoFei. And I'm not so concerned about YJ being rammed in the ass yet again as I'm about blatant power creeping and "buy this new shiny NAU" syndrome. Also, the "points formula" used to be a joke, but it can't even see that joke from where it is standing now. I'm sorry but everything about N4 smells like amateur hour to me.
Because that's all we have and because CB fails at hype management, as usual. Instead of generating and sustaining hype, they almost always manage to create discontentment and indignation instead. Not sure what this means. Either there is a working unit cost formula that results in a balanced game or the formula is unworkable in some scenarios and CB has to cheat. If we know they cheat, then all the indignation about the game getting more and more broken by CB stepping away from the formula and unbalancing the game via power creep is completely warranted. It is part of what we're complaining about. If as a customer I'm at the "butt end of the information loop", then small wonder I'm pissed off with the disrespectful treatment by CB. Being stealthy about new content is one thing, but dropping bullshit profiles completely out of context and expecting people like YJ players - whose HI profiles get roflstomped skill and cost-wise by the new Nomad toys - to be content and constructive with their critique of CB is ridiculous. CB needs to step up the communication game. It's been said over and over and over again on this forum and other social media.
I do agree with you but I'm doing the same thing you always do of extrapolating from when we already have and what we know and some of it doesn't look good. Unless they make the Zhencha much cheaper or give him some more abilities, the Sombras is just a better version of him. It's also almost as good as a Daofei with specialist options and cheaper. The Evaders are the equivalent but better version of the Haidao. More profiles to choose from, Spitifire and feuerbach, every single of them a specialist, Haris. And I just have a feeling they are going to do almost nothing to YJ.
No, it's not "almost as good as a DaoFei", It's better than a DaoFei because it's unhackable. The only thing the DaoFei has going for him is +1 BS and ARM and having access to HMG and Spitfire. Also I get the feeling some of the old units will get useless stuff to bloat their point cost while these last profiles are 100% efficiency, 0 bloat. Point in case, Wildcats getting MSV1 in All their profiles (not useless but nevertheless a unnecessary bloat when you add it to every profile)
Don't go that far. Dao fei has 6-2 move, 1 more BS, 3 more PH, 1 more arm, he doesn't auto die from 1 out of 2 viral saves failed. He can deploy up to 24 instead of 20, and if you take 55% chance he can deploy up to 36. So no, sombras isn't better, it's cheaper and does alot of things almost as good while being non hackable but dao fei is still a beast. Also 2 out of 4 profiles are actually hackable by being hackers themselves so there's that.
Apples and oranges, dude. Sombra is more related to Dart than to Daofei. Daofei has Infiltration (with uncommonly high PH for a Yu Jing unit) which usually has +4" FD over the Sombras and it's entirely possible that Infiltration has changed significantly in nature in N4 as we don't have the rules for them. The "battle report" video has me worried about the Daofei's cost, but I don't think we can draw conclusions on the Daofei with what we have atm. CB has a bunch of stuff that's really good for their points, they design profiles using them as tools to make stuff a bit more cost effective than comparable profiles. That's how they cheat profiles using their system. In other words, if something seems completely bonkers, the system will work the same for Yu Jing profiles. See my answer to Benkei up there. As for "more profiles to choose from" - so what!? You don't even know if they are Wildcards (and no, Bostria's snide comment about it isn't reliable info) and what even does that do for us? Nothing, that's what*. Besides, the only load out I'd even want on my Haidao is the Spitfire Engineer. One good load out is better than two bad load outs. One bad load out that complements the rest of your force is better than two that does the same good thing your force already could. * Although, I won't lie, it'd be funny reading the Nomad salt if they can't put these bastards into Cores.
The Engineer profile that has mines and doesn't have Shit Dickram's insane cost is pretty attractive too.
