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My Guija wish List

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Azuset, Aug 2, 2019.

  1. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    I mean, people play 20x20, TACOS and what else have you. They definitely will play older ITS missions they liked.
     
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  2. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Frostbyte was one of our meta's favourite ITS10 missions. That and Unmasking.
     
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  3. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Why not? An EVO repeater should allow it just fine. It's even listed as a special Fireteam option in Krit's profile.
     
  4. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Is that DA CC weapon all the changes Guijia is getting? Are we gonna get shafted again? I mean, Guijia is still the worst basic TAG around, and the only one we have access to
     
  5. AdmiralJCJF

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    Tactical Awareness and a DA CCW are both solid updates.

    It's still got stiff competition, because Yu Jing HI are excellent, but it's certainly not hurting you to put it on the table.

    Yeah, we loved Forstbyte around here too.

    I'm kinda hoping that @HellLois will have the time to follow through on making a doc with all the "expired" ITS missions in it for casual play.
     
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  6. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Because special fireteams are not normally available to Vanilla. The fact that he has fireteams listed in his vanilla entry is... weird. I'm not even sure if Tai Sheng is allowed to duo in Vanilla either.

    @ijw ?
     
  7. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    @Triumph

    From here:

    "To use this rule, a player must field a Sectorial Army List, an Army List that specifies that Fireteams are available, or have a Special Skill, piece of Equipment or Hacking Program that allows its use."

    Emphasis on "or" is mine.
    I was under impression that TeamPro is the Hacking Program mentioned, and making Duos in Vanilla is exactly the reason it exists because Sectorials don't need it.

    Not sure if I'm right here, but that's what I thought for a long time.
     
  8. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    All TAGs got TA, so please don't tell me it's a Guijia fix. And getting just a DA is a joke when CC is anecdotical and useless with the Guijia stats, specially when Yu Jing has no bussines looking to engage in CC now as even PanO has more and better CC specialists than us.


    And no, it's not about having stiff competition, it's about Guijia being the worst (and even worse, the blandest) basic TAG in the game. And about having yet another update that benefits the already winning factions...

    Honest question: miniatures aside, ¿why would anybody play Yu Jing now when you can play PanO? so you can play a Su Jian or Dao Fei, our only real good and special HI?
     
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  9. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Special Fireteams are allowed just fine and Krit's on the list sufficiently to allow it. There are no rules against it and no separate rules for it, they are self-contained and this one specifically says Krit is allowed to.

    Besides, I asked and Koni responded it is NOT a mistake that the special Duo notifification shows in vanilla.
     
  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    If it makes the Guijia decent, it makes the Guijia decent.

    Sure, it might make the Sphinx or the Avatar or similar bonkers, and might ruin the game when playing against factions with good TAGs until CB actually makes a fix for it, which probably will mean that the number of AHDs people will start playing will skyrocket and in turn makes Yu Jing's HI theme completely unplayable as well, but that's not the point.
    The point is, if this general TAG upgrade works for the Guijia it works for the Guijia.
     
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  11. Knauf

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    Off the top of my head:

    - Su Jian
    - Kuang Shi
    - LT L2 + NCO
    - HI core with (multiple )TAC Awareness + NCO + TinBot B
    - Yan Huo ML Haris
    - Haidao KHD in link with TinBot B
    - Daofei
    - MSV2 Haidao in core link
    - Tiger Soldiers aka the best AD troop in the game
    - Mowang NCO
    - Rui Shi (better in Dashat but still)
    - Ninjas
    - 5 point smoke Shaolin
     
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  12. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Fixed that for you :grinning:
     
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  13. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    While not all of these points are convincing in terms of performance despite being cool in terms of style, some other points a worth doubling down on. Smoke alone is kinda big deal unless you regularly play SoF.

    Even when some of YJ options are similar to ones of PanO, I've seen enough people here preferring YJ ones. Like DTWs of Hac Tao over 1 BS, KHD profile (I have no idea how to use it well, but that's another story) etc.

    While we are at it, it's kinda bummer that Lt2 + XO trick, while not being universally accepted, was FAQ'd out completely. Oh well. At least we have more clarity now, I guess.
     
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  14. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    I think most of those things can be done with PanO even if slightly worse or are just not interesting enough (like the "you have more orders to just walk up the table from your deployment and shoot things with 0 mods" parts), except smoke, yes. Of course smoke is a big thing, and of course it's a pity the game is all about Sectorials now and our Sectorials combined have exactly one source of smoke.
     
  15. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Look, it's simply like this;

    There are reasons to play Yu Jing over Pan-O, but if you're looking for hot TAG action, then you should only be looking at Combined or Pan-O. For everyone else, TAGs are an extra. A curve ball to occasionally throw.

    Other than that everyone can play a version of essentially everything in this game. You can even squeeze surprise hacking out of Ariadna, which can be extremely effective simply because no one expects it! Either you like the specific quirks a faction offers of a certain play style or you have to do something about it (change faction, suck it up and learn to like it because you like the models, or quit the game).
     
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  16. fatherboxx

    fatherboxx Well-Known Member

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    kuang shi, kuang shi and kuang shi
    also some kuang shi for enthusiasts

    PanO vanilla is straight up trash faction IMO since you dont have good synergies outside of Joan+irregulars
     
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  17. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Don't get me wrong, for me the number one factor to choose faction in any game I play are the models
     
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  18. Andre82

    Andre82 Well-Known Member

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    I like this.
    Tell I get more practice I am just not sure what's a gimmick and what's top tier.

    YJ might not be the best, but I keep them on my roster.
     
  19. Gero

    Gero Well-Known Member

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    Because we love our faction and miniatures even if we produce endless amounts of salt, which actually are just there because we feel we do get shafted pretty bad and we are always feeling development and update decisions the game turns to end up leaving us “almost but no quite there” so to speak.

    Vanilla Yu Jing is still a Thing tbh, Tigers are a Huge deal for me those guys are awesome, Kan ren is an incredibly useful and fun guy to play around with as your skirmisher speaking of which, Madtraps (stupid sexy gangbuster taking one of our tricks...) we have access to Strategos L3 (expensive, but Sun Tze V.1 in Decapitation is plain rude), we I don’t feel we are lacking enginerds recently tbh, with the inclusion of Haidao and Krit, and we do have more ways to avoid getting our HI hacked shut down than PanO MO for example.

    Some People swear by Kuang shi and Shaolin and I do love those guys as well, Guilangs are also amazing.

    But you ever notice how most of PanO’s HI are held back by a massive amount of locks and chains? Like Father Knights carrying Multi rifle or Combi rifle, but no spitfire option, or Joan of Arc only getting a spitfire as well, our HI simply has better weapon and equipment loadouts than PanO’s HI.
     
  20. atomicfryingpan

    atomicfryingpan Well-Known Member

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    Tell again how you don't argue in bad faith/troll? Do you honestly think most people pick a faction based on looks or stats on a sheet?