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move to B2B and ARO

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by k104agi, May 16, 2018.

  1. k104agi

    k104agi Well-Known Member

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    Hello, thank you always.

    I've tried reading rules and making a logical answer but wound up very confused. I need a clarification about B2B move and ARO options.

    Situation : Enemy model A move into B2B with my model B, using first short move and moving from out of my LoF. A ended his first move contacting B in rear.

    1. Does B get LoF to A, because of A contacting him, making him engaged status and granting 360 loF to enemy in B2B? and B gets shooting ARO option?

    2. What happens if enemy model B2B me within smoke(ZeroV)? what options do I get as ARO? Can I shoot even in smoke, provided I am engaged?
     
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  2. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    1. (Unless Sixth Sense Level 1 is involved) No. The point at which you gain LOF is the point at which you are Engaged. So BS Attack isn't a valid ARO at that time: there's no point where you are both not-Engaged and have LOF. So basically you're stuck with Dodge, CC, Alert, Reset or 'doing nothing' (Jammers and HDs notwithstanding).

    2. As per 1.

    Confusing/contentious discussion below the fold:

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    How Sixth Sense Level 1 interacts with this is (IIRC) still an open question. But generally it's played that in 1 you'd get a BS Attack and in 2 you don't get a BS Attack. Getting the ability to BS Attack (or not) in 2 being the more contentious interpretation because its not actually possible to have LOF outside of the Engaged state.

    Edited because I got the SSL1 vs Smoke wrong (I think). But either way FAQ please :)
     
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  3. macfergusson

    macfergusson Van Zant is my spirit animal.

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    If you didn't have LoF at any point until you are engaged, then shooting as an ARO is not an option.
     
  4. k104agi

    k104agi Well-Known Member

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    really appreciate it guys!!
     
  5. daboarder

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    Unless you have Sixth sense and there is no smoke.

    Ie
    • active troop spends short skill moves into reactive troopers b2b.
    • Reactive trooper holds via SS
    • Active trooper declares attack
    • Reactive trooper may per SS now shoot active trooper in the face

    https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/sixth-sense-and-cc-in-the-rear-arc-zero-vis-zone.960/
     
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  6. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    But only if the active trooper attacks. If they don't your options are limited to those that work while Engaged.
     
  7. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I assume CB still haven't gotten off their ass to clarify the issues about SS and suddenly being able to shoot through smoke/terrain and we're going off IJW's gut feelings still? I agree with the interpretation but it'd be nice if CB stopped being so blatantly lazy about a clearly awfully written rule that needs a redo.
     
  8. Sanjuro

    Sanjuro Active Member

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    Cb are like the bad schoolteacher of tabletop gaming theyve explained it once and it’s our fault for not understanding ;)
     
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