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Military Orders Rework?

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Palomides, Oct 14, 2018.

  1. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache

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    Don't forget Liu Xing. After it drops (heh XD) 1W Lts are no longer a realistic option for general purpose tournament lists.
     
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  2. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Unless hidden in buildings.

    Honestly though: we know, that MO link composition will get a serious shake-up. We will be able to field Haris HI links and get proper hacking defence for them. We have rumours about Sepulchre getting some tweaks into a proper "Command" unit, which might mean CoC option. We have no idea how Sergeants will change - aside from increased linkability - but somehow I don't think Lt. option is out of the question. Finally, we know that point values will change slightly, which might mean fitting all we want into our list will be easier.

    Fusilers were useful in MO, sure, but they were by no means crucial.
     
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  3. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache

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    If there's a building to hide in. Not all tables will have playable interiors, if there's buildings on the table at all.

    Hence, going into a tournament with 1W Lt suddenly because much, much more dangerous.
     
  4. Seraphin

    Seraphin Well-Known Member

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    They are extremely useful from the gameplay point of view, but they always seemed to me as little unfluffy and out of sectorial. It didn't feel natural for some seculiar grunt to lead religious force of elite knights, who are separate organisation of their own (aren't they military branch of the church and not part of official PanO army?).
     
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  5. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Or if theres options or if they are camo ect ect
     
  6. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    And we werent talking 1w solo lts. Were talking 2w arm3 or more HI with ph14 or better.
     
  7. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Yeah. I had absolutely nothing against their presence in MO, but them leading the squad didn't mesh well with the fluff.

    And most likely in a link of some kind.

    If we were able to keep a 1 W, 1 ARM Lt. alive, we should be able to keep a HI one alive as well.
     
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  8. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Well I would say that's more of a price problem than a "keep alive". ATM cheapest non-Fusilier Lt is Tueton for ~34pts and 1 SWC. And yes I know Teutons gets links but usually MO didn't have slots in link to run their Lt inside, plus points were also bit prohibitive (for the cost of Tueton Lt you could almost buy set of 3 fusilier: Fusi Lt, Fusi Decoy, Fusilier "DroneUnlocker").

    That's all is theorycrafting as the changes to MO appear soo deep&radical that almost nothing we have now will be same, probably up to Lt options (though I really do not expect OS Lt.).

    It might be one of MO weaknesess: LT has to be HI.
     
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  9. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    It's funny how we pretend any MO Hi Lt option could hold a candle next to Joan...
    That debate is ages old and still has the same answer - you take Joan.
    I want MO to be good, but outside of a OS witg CoC I have trouble seeing how to solve the Lt question. If you're fine with taking obvious HI Lts, good for you. The general trend in listbuilding would suggest most people do not agree a backfield Hi is a safe option.

    Ever played SAA? Have fun guessing in between 5 Regulars and a Bagh.
     
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  10. CabalTrainee

    CabalTrainee Well-Known Member

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    Maybe CB wants to sell more Joan models. I mean they make a new one every few months.

    Jokes aside HI lt are actually pretty cool fluff-wise for MO. As long as it doesn't kill our list building completely it could be a fun weakness to play around.

    This might be true. I would be kinda sad if i was forced to field Joan every game. (I'm not a huge fan of named characters fluff-wise)
     
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  11. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Probably CB gives us a OS Lt now the fusileers are gone
     
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  12. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Highly doubt it, but hey I was also wrong about Hospitaller not going down in price xD
     
  13. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    All factions have a LT option for their base infantry, so...
     
  14. CabalTrainee

    CabalTrainee Well-Known Member

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    Shasvasti, Onyx and Aleph seem to disagree.
     
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  15. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    No thorakitai Lt? T_T
     
  16. MrNailbrain

    MrNailbrain Relentless Optimist

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    1) goddammit now I have to make my Father-Knight ML conversion I’ve had knocking about in my head for the past 2 years. Never needed a reason til now, but linked up it’s just too cool to pass up.

    2) lack of Fusilier Lt hurts, obvious HI Lts are obvious, yes they are easier to gank than a backfield Fusilier, but I think everyone is overhyping the danger. We all play Joan and she’s the most obvious Lt in the game except maybe the Avatar... You may go into LoL at times but it’s not like that’s game ending. You can come back from it, you can still get things accomplished.

    3) it’s still very possible we get thrown a bone with CoC somewhere. Father-Knight or Sepulchre are good candidates, and both are expensive enough that it’s a serious cost to have that insurance. It becomes a choice, unlike a lot of other factions (looking at you JSA).
     
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  17. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    Nesaie Alké
     
  18. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    I always play with obvious Lts (Wallace, Joan) and 90% of the times, they survive
     
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  19. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Oh it definetaly will be.

    But he might "suffer" from the same problems as future MO LT options ^^
     
  20. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    I'd wait for now. We don't know yet how Father-Knight will change...
     
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