1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Hemos actualizado nuestra Política de Privacidad acorde con la nueva RGPD. +Info // We've updated our Privacy Policy to comply with the GDPR. +Info
    Dismiss Notice

Military Orders Rework?

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Palomides, Oct 14, 2018.

  1. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
    Warcor

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2017
    Messages:
    2,818
    Likes Received:
    5,918
    Also, it doesn't kick in if Santiago was linked at the time. Even Duo makes them more level-headed, if I remember correctly.
     
  2. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    3,529
    Likes Received:
    4,108
    Btw. newest rumors:

    - Tikbalang might get DA CCW in MO, question if it loses Mimetism is still open
    - Seraph might be splitted to 2 versions, cheaper without the Auxbot and more expensive with an Auxbot (damn hopefully that means Auxbot is getting SuperJump or at least "SuperAgility")
     
    RogueJello, MrNailbrain and Stiopa like this.
  3. MrNailbrain

    MrNailbrain Relentless Optimist

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    377
    Likes Received:
    858
    Yay for the Seraph. Having the flexibility of Auxbot or not is quite nice, as is being able to participate in Coordinated Orders without having to suicide the bot.

    Tik losing Mimetism would be pretty goofy. Not sure why they would do that, other than “because they can”. DACCW is nice quality of life but not anything to get excited for.

    Very excited to see all the changes next month regardless. All the spoilers point to a massive upgrade for the sectorial, which was by no means handicapped before.
     
  4. CabalTrainee

    CabalTrainee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2018
    Messages:
    388
    Likes Received:
    574
    I really hope the seraph options won't just be "anchor or no-anchor"
     
    eciu likes this.
  5. Cartographer

    Cartographer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    675
    Likes Received:
    1,114
    I really hope the Seraph options are HMG or Spitfire, and at that point I won't care about the anchor!
     
    Elessar and Mikes like this.
  6. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    4,816
    Likes Received:
    4,655
    If they were giving the Seraph real options they wouldn't be putting the Horse Demon in MO.
     
    Titus and Zsimbi like this.
  7. Zsimbi

    Zsimbi Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2018
    Messages:
    39
    Likes Received:
    43
    True. There was no other long ranged high burst weapon in MO, so a Light TAG with HMG is a nice addicion, but not at all needed if the Sheraph can fill in that role
     
  8. Cartographer

    Cartographer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    675
    Likes Received:
    1,114
    Ooh, what if the anchor came with a LSG and eclipse grenades?
     
    Judge Dredd and MrNailbrain like this.
  9. MrNailbrain

    MrNailbrain Relentless Optimist

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    377
    Likes Received:
    858
    I’d be playing my Seraph an awful lot if that were true.
     
    AdmiralJCJF likes this.
  10. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    4,816
    Likes Received:
    4,655
    The "anchor" needs super jump is all. Super jumping flamethrower bot would be great.
     
    CabalTrainee likes this.
  11. Skoll

    Skoll Well-Known Member
    Warcor

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2017
    Messages:
    702
    Likes Received:
    890
    Eclipse grenades on the seraph itself would be unique as all hell
     
    Elessar likes this.
  12. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2017
    Messages:
    2,372
    Likes Received:
    2,171
    I want some Airbourne deployment
     
  13. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    4,787
    Likes Received:
    8,702
    Effective PH19 Eclipse grenades? I'd like it but I don't think my opponents would be fond!

    Like the Crusader Brethren?
     
  14. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2017
    Messages:
    2,372
    Likes Received:
    2,171
    On the Seraph
     
  15. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    986
    Likes Received:
    1,344
    Nobodies talking much about Dart being in MO. She SUCH a good harassing unit. E/M grenades that are easy to get across the board. Backup Dart with a peacemaker and you have a nice little strike team.
     
  16. Judge Dredd

    Judge Dredd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2018
    Messages:
    420
    Likes Received:
    594
    She's a bizzare addition that really helps strengthen our anti camo play and midfield strength and giving us a second source of em grenades
     
    AdmiralJCJF likes this.
  17. Teslarod

    Teslarod Trebuchet Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    1,330
    Likes Received:
    2,670
    My main concerns about new MO is actually the lack of Fusiliers.
    With them gone you're missing 3 Order monkeys who can be backfield Lt with basic shell games, provide Fairy Dust and unlock REM.
    Since Hospitalers are what is getting cheaper to get the box to 300 points OS remain the same cost, although their Profiles may be reworked a la Securitate.
    Having your Lt up the field without backup and/or obvious is always a rather catastrophic problem.
    Truth be told MO might be utter and complete garbage in my book if I'm doomed to run a Link of 5 HI and an obvious unsecured Santiago Lt at 14 Orders.
    CoC for an expensive Knight you'll want forward or in the Link is also not an option.

    So at this point OS need to provide a Lt Profile or CoC to seriously keep MO running. Problem is this seem rather antithematic and unlikely.

    What I'm working with as a worst case scenario is running a Joan Lt every game.
    And I'm really not looking forward to that.
     
    Elessar, TaHu and eciu like this.
  18. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    3,529
    Likes Received:
    4,108
    Problem is that hitting 14 orders with Fusiliers gone is extremaly hard. Small link (Hosp+Mag) was already on verge when taking 14 orders (you had to take Baggage bots, and then have Warcor as semi-efficient order battery).

    After the initial hype went away, we might actually see MO downgrade a bit (from strict power-play perspective) while being able to run different yet comptetetive lists.

    Case is most of those lists will be probably 10 order lists.
     
  19. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
    Warcor

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2017
    Messages:
    2,818
    Likes Received:
    5,918
    Wat.

    We might lose Fusi Lt, but fielding at least two possible Lt. knights - plus possibly some misdirection in form of Sepulchre - should be fairly straightforward. OS are just as good cheerleaders as Fusis were, don't tell me those 3 pts will make this much of a difference. And we didn't lose access to EVO last time I've checked, it's much better support hacker than a Fusi.
     
  20. Titus

    Titus Varuna Beach Commando

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    277
    Likes Received:
    342
    I've been saying this in my group and they just tell me I'm crazy and MO is just going to be the best thing ever.

    Losing fusiliers make our orders somewhat more expensive and makes our lieutenant options more difficult. Still, I think it is cool we don't need them anymore.

    Also we know about the new things we are getting, but we don't know if we are losing more things also.

    I always heard that TO sergeants were made somehow as a "patch" to make MO playable... Well, what if MO playstyle changes so much that they remove them?

    With this in mind, having always Joanne or a Santiago Knight as lieutenant doesn't sound great. But we might get more viable knight lieutenant options, and maybe some expensive CoC knight to help with that (looking at Sepulchre). So no need for a cheap lieutenant hiding in a corner.

    We are already getting better and faster specialists like montesas on bikes and KHD Santiagos... So maybe they decide we don't need an Order Sergeant FO TO anymore. Maybe we also get something like a crusader brethren hacker, given that falling from the skies sounds more knightly than hiding in TO.

    All considered I really hope this rework means more fun, options, and different playstyles for MO. And not necessarily more powerful, just more knightly.