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Military Orders. A word of hope.

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Daireann, Sep 6, 2020.

  1. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    One unit I'm particularly wondering about, and this impacts on SAA and VIRD as well as MO, is the Montessa.

    ORCs seem to have dropped by a full 10 points, or near enough, which suggests that something like this will be in a MUCH more interesting price bracket. Getting the Shotgun onto the table for under 30 and the Multi for under 35 will make for interesting times.
     
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  2. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    I've been thinking about it.

    I think this is it. if MO doesnt get playable now, then it wont be for a long, long time.
    And tbh im not feeling very hopeful - they need some pretty big changes and a new unit or two imho.
     
  3. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    Optimistic dissection - around 11 for the Multirifle, 9 for the Combi, 9 for the HMG considering relative 0.5 C1 breakpoints.
    That adds up with the N4 Multi Rifle Profiles we've seen being 4 points cheaper than a Spitfire (down from 2 in N3).
    If C1 Orcs are N4 Orcs /10 - Orcs are about to be dirt cheap (and 6-2).

    While that is great for Orcs and other basic HI, assuming Frenzy will be gone or reworked, it makes me worried for Knights. Hospitalers had no business being cheaper than Orcs in N3, but they were still too expensive to run without Magisters in their Links, while Orcs saw table time in Fusilier Links.
    How much the Knights end up paying for their CC relative to those new and useable Orcs and what happens to Magisters as Link fillers is going to determine the fate of MO as much as a solution to the Lt and HMG situation.
     
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  4. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    after reviewing some material, i have reason to believe MO will be interesting in N4
     
  5. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    Looking good for MO.
    Hospitalers, Teutons, Seraph, Tik, Joan V1 all significantly better.
    OS are not, but all the stuff you want to link looks like it finally can and TO OS became their own outstanding troop. Gotta love the Trinitarian Tertiareies despite that funky name of theirs.
     
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  6. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    i think that cheap msv spit will be a decent enough reason to take them.
    I like the new trinitarian unit alot - Minelayer finally.

    All we need to see now is what the speulchre is.

    also combat dropping Santiago... phew!
     
  7. atomicfryingpan

    atomicfryingpan Well-Known Member

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    Where are people seeing new stuff for MO?
     
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  8. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    There was a beta version of the army builder briefly accessible, not all profiles were finalised/proofread/updated so it's not to be taken as gospel.
     
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  9. Skoll

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    From what has been spoiled so far it looks like MO HI is the one that has remained largely 4-4 that is... odd?
     
  10. Pinky

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    I think it's odd only for some units, like Teutons, who didn't really get reworked, just price rescaled (they are now cheap, very cheap, but also not good and interesting). Maybe once they finally get a resculpt.
    Joan and Mobility Joan are both better. Regular Joan is 5 points down and got Fatality 1. Santiagos unfortunately lost the Tinbot KHD, which is now a KHD BSG Combat Jump troop. Hospitallers lost 1-2 points per profile with the Doctor Multi dropping by 4. I think that a full Hospitaller link with Joan is now a great choice, especially considering how dangerous they are in melee. The new TO OS are maybe the best infiltrators in PanO, helping MO with active and reactive (very affordable MSR) as well as the usual objective grabbing. I calculated a few lists alongside these lines and MO got 30 more points to play around with. That's huge.
     
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  11. Skoll

    Skoll Well-Known Member

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    Agreed on basically all accounts. Im just surprised on what was posted for magisters so im hoping that isnt the final profile. Specially considering domarus new cost and profile... because wow
     
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  12. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    So a secular member of new Trinitarian Order....

    Interesting, I would bet they would go with Dominican Tertiarereis (for a slightly less funky name)
     
  13. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    I'm actually really excited to start list building with these guys. there looked to be some pretty weird profiles that im not sure will stick around (looking at you hospitaller FD thing), but we'll see
     
  14. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    I don't understand why you have a problem with Locust holding HRMC ;P
     
  15. Pinky

    Pinky Well-Known Member

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    Magisters with good link options are just fine and with MA2 and CC22, alongside the ability to move after dodge in active on top of having B2 templates in reactive turn I think people will often run them. Especially if a Magister/Hospitaller link makes a comeback (there's no reason why Magisters of the order of Hospital shouldn't link with their superiors).

    I'm also expecting Wildcard for Joan, judging from Morat and Corregidor link options.
     
  16. Skoll

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    I agree magisters are good. However with the cost readjustment of all HI and the profiles that almost always had identical costs to them (Tankos) going down significantly. It leads me to think the magister profile wasnt finalized for this beta specially not with the teuton profile being so few points more, while not having extremely impetuous and having bs 14
     
  17. WiT?

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    I didn't get access to the full leak or hoax or whatever it is, I'm assuming from these posts that Magisters still existed on it? I'm super excited for them in a brave new world of easily controlled, predictable impetuous, reactive dodging in ZoC and HI/melee price cuts.

    I always felt their biggest weaknesses were based mostly around spam. As in, Limited Insertion not being much of a benefit, not being limited insertion wrecking their alpha potential, and the general game-wide inability of elite units (particularly links) to clear fields of camo and trash efficiently. But then I've never fielded them against Noctifier or Swiss Missile and friends so I guess thats gonna be harsh for them too lol.

    Hoping that Tactical Window helps keep the spam play down to manageable levels, and the hopeful price cuts let us field some decent things alongside the link to maybe make that job easier.
     
  18. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower

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    Let's just say that, if any of this is even close to accurate, MO is INDEED going to have new hope.
     
  19. Pinky

    Pinky Well-Known Member

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    A 17 point Tanko is indeed insane, since it's even got BS13 and a Mono CCW. I'm not expecting them to stay that cheap, it can't possibly be balanced.
     
  20. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    It isn't balanced, but it's going to stay that cheap.
    CB's take on a new version of the game appears to be create a formula that meets criteria A and B on a graph and then it's hands off the wheel and let C to Z just kinda sort itself out with mixed results.

    It kinda works for the game as a whole. But also is responsible for the general imbalances and things like the Lazarus being irredeemable garbage which no use aside from serving as a handicap.
     
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