So one thing I just thought about is that Natural Born Warrior contains the same wording as MA. If the rules were to set a precedent that you could negate MA without using a CC attack, that's actually pretty horrifying.
So, to change the conversation about you cannot declare bs attack in btb so cannot declare martial arts and shoot (i am not debating if this is a correct interpretation, just explaining starting point of question). Is there any rule that says you cannot walk into btb with a model and declare dodge with martial arts? (This is useful to dodge templates and some long range shots) The logic that you cannot be declaring shoot (be outside btb) and btb (to declare martial arts), may be a fair reason to deny shoot+MA, but invalid with dodge as you can dodge while in cc.
If we are giving it the same contexts as cover (which is not an automatic skill but does have requirements as a mechanic) to martial arts. Then even if the active model were to CC attack their victim the reactive player would not suffer negatives because s/he is shooting them before they get to base to base. Or how is this interaction working now?
Read what I wrote and you will have your answer : condition for activing any of skill related to your action are checked with your mini at the point of its movement you choose for your action. Same apply for your opponent when declaring his ORA Classic example of this is penthisilea. Lets take this - first action : penthisilea declare move and move base to base with fusilier angus - ORA : angus declare shooting penthisilea at the start of her movement with his combi - second action : penthisilea declare cc attack against angus (obviously when she is base to base with him) Now let's check skills : - penthisilea is base to base with angus when she use cc attack so ikhol applies - penthisilea is not base to base with angus when angus shoot her so ddo applies Final malus : angus take -9 (ikhol 2 / DDO / range) Same example but penthisilea shoot with her second action : - first action : penthisilea declare move and move base to base with fusilier angus - ORA : angus declare shooting penthisilea at the start of her movement with his combi - second action : penthisilea declare bs attackwith her combi against angus 1 cm before she reaches him Now let's check skills : - penthisilea is not base to base with angus when she use bs attack so ikhol doesn't applies (requirements are not fulfilled : she is not base to base and has not reach base to base yet) - penthisilea is not base to base with angus when angus shoot her so ddo applies Final malus : angus take -3 (DDO / range) If you have a different understanding please copy the same examples and explain how it work for you We discussed it a page or two before. There is two opinions : - all examples regarding MA speak about cc attack so it infers that MA only work with cc attack + ikhol works with dodge only because its specified in the skill - examples are not enough to infers that nd faq is needed
Nevermind, found a flaw in whatever I typed. Long story short, I think that when it comes to BS Attacks and equivalent, we are specifically told to specify an "attack point" to/from which all modifiers are checked... Including, presumably, anything coming from CC Special Skills under this interpretation. So, in my opinion, practically we'll still be only able to combine them with like 3 skill declarations in the entire game. Why can't we delete our own posts? :P
