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Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by Albedo, Jan 23, 2018.

  1. Albedo

    Albedo Member

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    Hi guys, I am looking for advice for a forthcoming tournament. The missions played will be Power Pack, Acquisition and Hunting Party with Special Operations: Soldiers of Fortune. I will play Steel Phalanx.

    1st lis - Power Pack and Acquisition
    [​IMG] Hector MercSpec
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON OFFICER (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 35)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] PHOENIX Heavy Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 40)
    [​IMG] NETROD Electric Pulse. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] HECTOR Lieutenant Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser, Stun Grenades + 1 TinBot A / Heavy Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 71)
    [​IMG] DACTYL Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Adhesive-Launcher, Nimbus Grenades / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] DACTYL Engineer Combi Rifle, Adhesive-Launcher, D-Charges / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SCYLLA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Maestro) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser + 2 Devabots Charybdis / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] DEVABOT CHARYBDIS Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (7)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] BASHI BAZOUK Submachine Gun, Chain-colt / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    The first list is intended to work with Power Pack and Acquisition. The idea is to use Hector linked with the Dactyls as DataTracker and move toward the enemy deployment on one side, while Scylla and her bots do the same on the other side covered by the Zayin. Phoenix and myrmidon link as ARO, while the Bashi Bazouk to exploit opportunities.


    2nd list - Hunting Party
    [​IMG] Hunting Party - merc
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] MACHAON Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 38)
    [​IMG] PHOENIX Heavy Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 40)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] AJAX 2 Combi Rifles, Nanopulser / AP Heavy Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 31)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] NETROD Electric Pulse. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4
    [​IMG] NETROD Electric Pulse. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] DACTYL Engineer Combi Rifle, Adhesive-Launcher, D-Charges / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] EKDROMOS Chain Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

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    The idea here is to limit the enemy opportunities with a limited number of specialist, of which majority has ODD. Ajax link goes hunting for specialist and Lt while Phoenix provides ARO and protect Machaon together with the chain rifle myrmidons. The Dactyls engineer serves to repair the Zayin and save people from ADHL. The Yuan Yuan is there to create chaos during the first turn while the Ekmodros is meant to be a surprise with ADHL.


    I am worried about the absence of MSV2 and, moreover, I am very scared by the deployment of Power Pack. I am looking forward to your opinion guys, thank you!
     
  2. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    Just a quick notice about your first list:
    1. you will need to tell your opponent you have a second group even if nothing appears on the courtesy list, thus exposing you to lose 2 orders from command token
    2. bachi bazouks are AD1 so you need to chose which side they'll come at the beginning. You can't use them to exploit opportunities, rather they are the one who should create opportunities for the others
     
  3. Albedo

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    Thanks for the reply Nenyx
    1. I know about it, do you suggest to reduce to one order pool? With Hector, I will have 9 orders anyway.
    2. The idea of the Bashi is to exploit poor deployment choices of the opponent if I deploy second, and in any case the setting of the table. I would like to deploy him later in the game when Hector is already at mid-table.
     
  4. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    Your plan is viable, i just wanted to point those few things to be sure you knew it.

    Now we are talking about it, i was thinking that you used only one mercenary in each list, effectively using 1SWC just for one cheap (but effective) AD. But your opponents may want to use more, especially if you face some PanO using yuan yuans as warbands, or Haqq/Yu jing using both their cheap troops and cheap mercs. I don't know what Steel Phalanx can do about it.
     
  5. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    I played Hunting party already with something like this:

    [​IMG] Steel Phalanx
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] MACHAON Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 38)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] PHOENIX Heavy Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 40)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON OFFICER (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 35)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] AGÊMA Marksman (X Visor) Mk12 / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29)
    [​IMG] EKDROMOS Chain Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] BASHI BAZOUK Submachine Gun, Chain-colt / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    [​IMG] YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] NETROD Electric Pulse. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD Electric Pulse. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] THORAKITES Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

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    The best part about Hunting Party is that all Veteran and Elite troops gain an Adhesive Launcher, so your 16pts Myrmidons suddenly gain a long range ARO weapon, same as the Ekdromoi (which you can choose to remain non-frenetic thanks to the weapon being non-lethal!) so I exposed the Myrmidons as ARO pieces aswell as assault ones, hunted the enemy MSV2 and had little to no compulsion about keeping Machaon in his link. The Yuan Yuan can seed chaos, and the Bashi Bazouk gives options to deceive your enemy during deployment (since you won't place the Holo marker until your turn). The engineer is there just to cover for the chance of glued allies, with the yudbot giving her the reach a thorakitai needs.

    As for power pack and acquisition, I would suggest very different lists, so I think it's best if I don't. I would strongly advice against having a second group, however, and you might want to consider Saito as an option (even if you pick the Ekdromoi anyway), but I woudl advice against trying to infiltrate him since failing will leave him out of the game, so to speak.
     
  6. Albedo

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    Indeed I have no idea what I could expect. I know there will be a couple of Merovingian players and maybe a Nomad and another Steel Phalanx. It will be funny to see unexpected combinations.

    Following your suggestion, I could drop the Zayin if I use the normal Myrmidons as ARO. That could leave space for an Agema or other cheap troops. Moreover, I did not think to use the Bashi already in deployment, but I like the idea to use him to impersonate Achilles.
     
  7. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    For what I discussed with other people, It seems you cannot deploy in Holo2 with less than the full complement of echos, but you can certainly use it as Holo1. However, you would need to place him in a more populated group to sell the lie, and it woudl be lost in the first order recount (unless you had another Holo1 regular character pretending to be a Warcor, for example...). Fun for deployment, however, and you can use it to force your opponent to deploy heavy troops the side you want him to.
     
  8. Albedo

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    Hi guys, I wanted to update you on the results of the tournament. I ended up using these two lists:

    [​IMG] Hector
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    [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON OFFICER (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 35)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] PHOENIX Heavy Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 40)
    [​IMG] HECTOR Lieutenant Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser, Stun Grenades + 1 TinBot A / Heavy Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 71)
    [​IMG] DACTYL Engineer Combi Rifle, Flammenspeer, D-Charges / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
    [​IMG] DACTYL Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Adhesive-Launcher, Nimbus Grenades / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] SCYLLA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Maestro) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser + 2 Devabots Charybdis / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] DEVABOT CHARYBDIS Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (7)
    [​IMG] BASHI BAZOUK Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    [​IMG] Hunting Party
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] MACHAON Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 38)
    [​IMG] PHOENIX Heavy Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 40)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] AJAX 2 Combi Rifles, Nanopulser / AP Heavy Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 31)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] NETROD Electric Pulse. (0 | 4)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4
    [​IMG] DACTYL Engineer Combi Rifle, Adhesive-Launcher, D-Charges / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] NETROD Electric Pulse. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] EKDROMOS Chain Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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    I lost power pack failing two consecutive times the WIP roll with Scylla. I was playing against tohaa (for the first time), and I have to say that I underestimated their resiliency, in particular the effect of their Pokemon friends. I won both Acquisition and Hunting party. Unfortunately, I won the former 10 to 0, but it was not counting for the scores because it was against the organizer.

    Overall I am happy with the results. Indeed, it was my first ITS tournament and I had only a couple of game with Steel Phalanx. I forgot several rules of the army and I made several other mistakes, but I hope to have learnt from them! The next tournament will be in May. Hopefully, I will know better my army then.
     
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