Okay so maybe you guys can give me some clarity on Liu Xing and Hacking. I'm still trying to understand it. My friend I played last night was telling me that when a Liu Xing declares Combat jump the enemy MUST declare all available ARO’s. In this case it’s Hackers with HD, HD+, EVO, or Defensive, must declare if they going to do Hack Transport (the only thing they can do). If they do not, then they are giving up an ARO. When the Liu Xing lands, all other AROs can happen that have line of sight to him. Also, only hackers that didn’t have the opportunity to do Hack Transport (AHD), can then Hack him if they are inside hacking area. Also any hackers with Sixth Sense can wait until the second half of the order. This reminds me of holo echoes. You move an echo go right in front an enemy and he MUST declare ARO against the echo. Then on second half you move right out in front of him with the actual figure. Whether they took out the echo or not. Now what does this mean? The Liu Xing is safe from all hacking except from Assault Hackers or Killers if he’s a hacker himself. Considering I hardly ever see AHD much anymore, this can be great. Or any with Sixth Sense. If a fireteam with Hacker (HD, HD+, Defensive) does Declares hack transport as it’s Fireteam ARO, the rest of the team can only Idle. So the Liu Xing can land right in the middle of them and not suffer an ARO from them because they had to Idle while the hacker did his thing. However, if the link has Sixth Sense Level 2, they can wait to see what happens when he lands. It's still a fireteam and they can only shoot, dodge, OR Hack. I believe that the link can be broken and each member can react normally but with no fire team bonus. So fireteams are kind of screwed. If the team does Hack Transport the team is vulnerable, if they don’t do it, they can wait to see, but they must all do the same thing. If you know or believe that the enemy doesn’t have an assault hacker, or hacker with sixth sense, you can land right next to a repeating remote and not be hacked other than the Hack Transport. So Vanilla is a little more screwed if they don't have hackers naturally with Sixth Sense. Note: Killer and Assault Hackers do not have Hack Transport program. Also, KHD can do nothing to a Liu Xing if he’s not a hacker except shoot.
AROs are use it or lose it, so if you can Hack Transport Aircraft then you either do so, or decline to ARO vs the entire order. You can't delay using 6th Sense as the LX hasn't landed yet, only been placed in it's preferred landing place, so isn't in the Hacker's ZoC. However you can decline to ARO with the linked hacker, allowing the rest of the members to open fire if the LX lands in LoF
Isn't that the same thing? You don't hack so can shoot? Otherwise if the hacker forgoes hacking ARO the whole team has to forgo an ARO because they all have do the same thing. You can't have one guy hack, one guy shoot and one guy dodge.
Not AROing is not an ARO. So if one member forgoes their ARO, other members are free to declare their own AROs when they can. Remember that each member of a Fireteam generates their AROs as individuals, they just get kicked out if they Declare something different to the rest of the team.
I'm pretty sure you have to place the model as part of your declaration, before AROs are declared. Therefore a hacker could try to hack the Liu Xing if AD was declared in the hacker's ZOC, or your transport aircraft.
According to Fireteam ARO they all need to do the same thing. so if the hacker doesn't ARO with hacking when he had the chance then none of them can do anything. That would be the case if they don't have 6th sense. AFAIK you first declare, hackers must declare Hack transport or not, then place.
No, they don't all need to do the same thing, they need to Declare the same ARO. If any member does not Declare an ARO, by definition they can't be kicked out for declaring a different ARO.
Is there anything to back that up? The order is quite clearly place the model then roll. The hack transport rules mention LOS, implying that it is possible to have LOS, which indicates that the model is on the table.
Only the final position of the AD trooper counts for AROs, next to last bullet point of the bit you screenshotted. HTA is an exception in that it can be used before the PH roll and final position is determined.
I think what's going here on is a common mistake with Fireteams and AROs. Each Fireteam model gains their own ARO and gets to decide individually what they do with it. If the Hacker gets an ARO due to AD4, the rest of the Fireteam DOESN'T. Until the AD4 trooper lands, in which case it's dependent on where the AD4 lands if they gain an ARO. If only one member of a fireteam can see an enemy and decide to Dodge, the rest of the Fireteam DOESN'T get to Dodge. So if your Hacker declare HTA and then the Liu bombs down in middle of the fireteam and the other members Dodge, the Hacker gets kicked out of the team due to being minority declaration. That's it. The rest do not need to declare HTA, they have individual AROs. And if there are two or more different skills declared, the minority gets kicked out prior to rolls being made.
It specifically says they must all do the same ARO. I think by own they are just saying that everyone in the fireteam can do the ARO but they all have do the same thing. I've had many times were someone breaks the link in order for one guy to shoot and one to dodge. Especially against template weapons. So if the hacker does hacking, the rest of the team must idle.
I have and to me it doesn't invalidate what's before. If what you said is true then you would never have to break the link to do different things in ARO. One can hack, one doge, one shoot. As far as I've seen you have to break the link to do that.
No, you can absolutely do different things, but any troopers not performing the "Fireteam ARO" are booted from the Fireteam. http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Fireteam_Integrity Only in the Reactive Turn, if the trooper declares any type of ARO different from the Fireteam's ARO, the one declared by all the Fireteam members. When any Fireteam member declares an ARO different from the Fireteam's ARO, then the players must consider the Fireteam's ARO to be the one declared by more than half of the declaring ARO Fireteam members. For example, in a five member Fireteam where only three of them declare an ARO, if two members declare one kind of ARO, and the third one declares a different ARO, this member will automatically leave the Fireteam. When there is no majority of ARO, for example, if the three members each declare a different ARO, then the player can choose which one is considered to be the Fireteam's ARO, while the other two members will automatically leave the Fireteam.
That's what I'm trying to say! Anyone not doing the same thing (in this case Hack) does something different, they are out of the fireteam. So if you want, you can take the hacker out of the team to do Hack Transport so that the rest of the team can ARO dodge or shoot as a fireteam. Edit: Though I'll say I was wrong to say that it Breaks the fireteam. It only takes those that do different from the majority, out of the team.
You also don't want the Hacker to be the leader in this case because that would break the Fireteam at the end of the order. Though you can always elect not to ARO if you don't want to drop the hacker from the team.
Yup. But most often the hacker isn't the team leader, and if the hacker win their ARO the rest of the team will not necessarily need to ARO which solves the "kicked out" problem Edit: this wasn't in response to Colbrook, but kinda works as one if you really want to read it chronologically :p
Still the strategy exists to "break up" links a bit. At least enough that it must re-form to the full amount after.
