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Listbuilding TAK

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by Vabap, Oct 25, 2018.

  1. Vabap

    Vabap Member

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    What kind of listbuilding tactics do you use in TAK? Personally I tend to believe that they perform better under Limited Insertion Format. Although I have tried under multiple order lists, they tend to seem inferior than a Limited Insertion one.

    Vet Kazak HMG
    Spetsnaz HMG
    Vassily CoC T2Sniper
    Frontovik Engineer w LRL

    Are autoincluded in every list
     
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  2. Hansolo

    Hansolo Well-Known Member
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    Frontovik Core (HRL + Molotok + 2 Paramedics/2 Engineers/1 Paramedic and 1 Engineer) with Veteran Kazak (MK12 or HMG). Then 2 Streloks FO for missions. That's how I start building 90% of my TAK lists.

    More often then not I try to squeeze Ratnik with 2xMolotoks. Resilient, high BS, good firepower. I can even stomach dropping Specnaz for this guy.

    I need to play more with Vasilly, but he also seems like an auto include (in either version).

    And I'd like to play with Dynamo's, but still can't find nor the place for them, nor the will to actually take them. Maybe when the box drops.
     
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  3. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Didn't play it till now, but I want try this T2 spam when the Beyond box arrived.

    [​IMG] Tartary Army Corps
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    [​IMG]10
    [​IMG]FRONTOVIK Engineer T2 Rifle, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG]FRONTOVIK Engineer T2 Rifle, Light Rocket Launcher, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
    [​IMG]FRONTOVIK Engineer T2 Rifle, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG]FRONTOVIK Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
    [​IMG]VETERAN KAZAK AP HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 47)
    [​IMG]VASSILY Lieutenant (Forward Observer) T2 Marksman Rifle, Akrylat-Kanone, D-Charges / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 35)
    [​IMG]TANKHUNTER (Chain of Command) AP Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    [​IMG]STRELOK Marksman Rifle T2, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29)
    [​IMG]STRELOK Marksman Rifle T2, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29)
    [​IMG]STRELOK (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)

    4 SWC | 300 Points


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  4. coleslaw

    coleslaw Veteran
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    I was planning to post this today, and it's about TAK listbuilding, so lucky me

    Beware of the wall of text!

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    Hi, I'm working on lists for a tournament in November.

    Missions are
    * Baconland (from Fat Yuan pack)
    * Power Pack
    * Frostbyte
    * Supremacy
    * Highly classified

    Extras
    * Soldiers of fortune

    I also want to play TAK LI as I have to build and paint quite a few models...

    *** List 1 ***
    9 / 1 / 1
    * STRELOK K-9 Submachine Gun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines + 1 K-9 Antipode / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    K-9 ANTIPODE Trench-hammer, AP CC Weapon. (8)
    * TANKHUNTER (Chain of Command) AP Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    * RATNIK 2 Molotoks, 2 Panzerfausts / Heavy Pistol, Trench-hammer, Knife. (2 | 54)
    * CARMEN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades + Bâtard / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 22)
    BÂTARD Trench-hammer, AP CCW. (- | 5)
    * VETERAN KAZAK AP HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 47)
    * VETERAN KAZAK Paramedic (MediKit) AP Rifle, Light Flamethrower / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 39)
    * FRONTOVIK Engineer T2 Rifle, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    * LINE KAZAK Rifle, Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 13)
    * LINE KAZAK Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 9)
    * VASSILY Lieutenant (Forward Observer) T2 Sniper, D-Charges / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (1 | 35)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    It doesn't include any Yuans or other SOF's.
    Strelok, Tankhunter and Ratnik work together.
    Vassily and Carmen are wildcards, support where needed.
    Fireteam pushes forward quite aggressively.
    List can handle most classifieds. Weak on FO and no hackers...
    Veterans can handle all ranges quite good. Engineer is there to handle IMM1, dogged warbands and classifieds.
    LGL is wonderful when you can sneak up on a MSV/TO sniper + total reaction nest
    Links main purpose is to move all assets to where I need them, the vets can usually handle themselves but burst 2 on flamethrower is great and the +3 bonus to hit is good for the LGL and HMG.

    Things I'm thinking about:
    * Tankhunter CoC or Scout FO. Tankhunter has less mobility. CoC gives bonus to placing multiscanner in Power Pack and allows Vassily to be a bit more aggressive.
    * Ratnik Molotoks or Ratnik RL or Vet Kazak HMG.
    Depending on the density of the table the heavy shotgun can be more valuable than the molotok. I also use this model for syncing and advancing the Xenotech up the table. Ratnik RL has templates, molotoks and Veteran HMG doesn't, and I don't have that much templates to handle the horde. Ratnik is dogged and has heavier armor, making it more durable as ARO piece, but veteran has mimetism and has lower silhouette...


    *** List 2 ***
    9 / 1 / 1
    * STRELOK (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    * SPETSNAZ (CH: Ambush Camouflage) HMG / Pistol, CCW, Knife. (1.5 | 38)
    * CARMEN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades + Bâtard / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 22)
    BÂTARD Trench-hammer, AP CCW. (- | 5)
    * VETERAN KAZAK Lieutenant AP HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (1 | 47)
    * VETERAN KAZAK (Forward Observer) AP Rifle, Light Flamethrower / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 38)
    * FRONTOVIK Engineer T2 Rifle, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    * FRONTOVIK (Multiespectral Visor L1) AP Sniper / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1 | 31)
    * 112 Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 12)
    * UHAHU Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Icebreaker) Pitcher, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    * VASSILY (Chain of Command) T2 Sniper, D-Charges / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (1 | 39)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

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    This list will probably handle highly classified. It can handle all classifieds except "repair a remote ".
    I have MSV 1 to use either with Frontovik sniper (maybe as an ARO piece) or with with the Frontoviks assault pistol.
    Uhahu can handle classifieds, harass TAGs and HI and mostly use White Noise to blind opponents MSV troopers so that either Vassily or one of my HMG's has better chances of disposing that threat.
    Not so happy with having a linked model as LT. That's orders that will not be used, but with Uhahu I need my SWC...

    Comments and ideas?
     
  5. Ben Kenobi

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    Seems to be the German Nationals :smile:
     
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  6. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    I'm not a huge fan of Sniper in an aggressive link. Would try to free the further one point for the LRL Frontovik.
     
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  7. Kreslack

    Kreslack See you Space Cowboy...

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    But that MSV1 and assault pistol can go a long ways in dealing with ODD and camo threats.
     
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  8. coleslaw

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    Flaming template rocket launcher can also be quite fun vs odd and linked odd, but the linked MSV sniper is also there to put down CA TR bots and TO snipers that are threatening my HMG's.And as Uhahu costs 1,5 SWC, it's not that easy to get 1/2 free. Either I lose a HMG or I don't get any snipers in the list. Hard choices
     
  9. Hansolo

    Hansolo Well-Known Member
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    Drop Uhahu.

    Seriously, we are Ariadna, we have almost nothing that can benefit from hackers. And getting a hacker only for classified is IMO a waste (you can always change that one classified to Secure HVT).
     
  10. coleslaw

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    Her main purpose is really to blind opponents MSV. And then help in highly classified, where you cannot replace the main ones. For her points she's brilliant with NWI, pitchers and white noise. Especially since I expect my opponents to bring their list with the most MSV when they hear they have been paired vs TAK. And they might be quite light on hackers themselves, not expecting me to have anything hackable.
    But it's 1.5 SWC...
     
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  11. Phillimon

    Phillimon Kazak Diplomatic Operative

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    List I'm working on.
    Frontovik HRL
    Frontovik LRL
    112
    T2 Vet
    AP HMG vet
    Spetz HMG
    Vassily FO Marksman rifle
    K9 Strelok
    T2 Marksman Strelok
    FO Strelok
     
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  12. coleslaw

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    2 FO, 1 doctor, 1 engineer. Not bad!
    8 S2 camo markers with at least FD1.
    2 more camo markers in deployment zone.
    2 marksmen rifles, 2 HMG, 1 heavy and 1 light rocket launcher. Flame thrower
    All models except 1 has at least mimetism.
    You have a sensor.
    Can fulfill all but 3 of the classifieds.
    You're also not that scared of LOL, having 4 veterans. And that makes it easier to use the LT order

    Only thing I feel you are missing is smoke. You could replace the K-9 with Carmen and Batard to get both smoke and sensor, and also a fast and competent CC fighter with anti-material weaponry.

    Seems it could be a fun and good list
    Removing the opponents MSV should be a priority.

    I made a version of it:

    9 / 1 / 1
    * STRELOK (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    * STRELOK Marksman Rifle T2, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29)
    * VASSILY Lieutenant (Forward Observer) T2 Marksman Rifle, Akrylat-Kanone, D-Charges / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 35)
    * SPETSNAZ (CH: Ambush Camouflage) HMG / Pistol, CCW, Knife. (1.5 | 38)
    * CARMEN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades + Bâtard / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 22)
    BÂTARD Trench-hammer, AP CCW. (- | 5)
    * VETERAN KAZAK AP HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 47)
    * VETERAN KAZAK (Forward Observer) AP Rifle, Light Flamethrower / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 38)
    * FRONTOVIK Engineer T2 Rifle, Light Rocket Launcher, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
    * FRONTOVIK Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
    * 112 Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 12)

    6 SWC | 298 Points

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  13. StuporMundi75

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    Hi Coleslaw,

    did you manage to put in a game with the T2 Marksman Rifle Strelok? If so, how did it perform. I am worried about its low BS.

    StuporMundi
     
  14. coleslaw

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    Hi @StuporMundi75!
    No, didn't have place for it in my lists in the end. Closest it's that I used CPT Plushenko LT with T2 marksman rifle. And that worked quite well, but I only used that list in one game... It's 5 points more but +2 BS, specialist, more armor, LT order to use. But no mines, slower and only forward deployment lvl 1
     
  15. StuporMundi75

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    Hi @coleslaw , I also have Plushenko in my current list (I have not tried it out yet however). Not sure he is worth the points or if I should go with the MSV1 frontovik instead..... not the same thing at all but still - I kind of like the idea of having something that can engage TO and ODD at a distance. Then again I am new to the game, so what do I know:)
     
  16. coleslaw

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    @StuporMundi75 In the list where I used CPT Plushenko with marksman rifle I also had the MSV1 sniper in a link. I really like to have a sniper to take care of TR bots, at least in theory
     
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  17. Omen

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    my experience with TAK is also limited insertion and havnt had any luck running more bodies. My current list as is follows

    [​IMG] Tak
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    [​IMG]8 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] VETERAN KAZAK AP HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 47)
    [​IMG] VETERAN KAZAK Paramedic (MediKit) AP Rifle, Light Flamethrower / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] FRONTOVIK Engineer T2 Rifle, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] FRONTOVIK Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
    [​IMG] FRONTOVIK (Multiespectral Visor L1) AP Sniper / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1 | 31)
    [​IMG] DOG-WARRIOR 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP CCW. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] DOG-WARRIOR 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP CCW. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] VASSILY Lieutenant (Forward Observer) T2 Marksman Rifle, Akrylat-Kanone, D-Charges / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 35)
    [​IMG] STRELOK (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] STRELOK K-9 Submachine Gun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines + 1 K-9 Antipode / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] K-9 ANTIPODE Trench-hammer, AP CC Weapon. (8)

    4.5 SWC | 300 Points

    I dont feel like ICoC is essential, since the link is all veterans and will stay regular in LoL


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  18. StuporMundi75

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    Ouch, and I just started a thread asking for TAK LI lists - seems I can find plenty in this thread. Sorry for that.
     
  19. mightymuffin

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    At the moment, I've been running this Core Fireteam;
    • Vet Kazak AP HMG.
    • Vet Kazak T2 Rifle + X-Visor.
    • Vet Kazak Forward Observer.
    • Frontovik Paramedic
    • 112
    On the whole, it's proved remarkably effective & flexible, given the difference in guns and specialists; effectively 2 long-range troopers, plenty of special ammo, back-up guns, and a few template weapons.

    (PS: I didn't include the Frontovik Engineer simply cos I don't have enough points left over!)
     
  20. Nat Lanza

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    Thinking of trying this for Decapitation tonight:

    TAK Decap
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    VETERAN KAZAK AP HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 47)
    FRONTOVIK Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
    FRONTOVIK Molotok / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1 | 30)
    FRONTOVIK T2 Rifle / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    FRONTOVIK T2 Rifle / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    SPETSNAZ (CH: Mimetism, AD: Parachutist) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 33)
    STRELOK (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    STRELOK (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    LINE KAZAK Lieutenant Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 9)
    IRMANDINHO Chain Rifle, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    ASSAULT PACK . (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] HANDLER Rifle, Smoke Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (- | 10)
    [​IMG] x3 ANTIPODE AP CC Weapon. (- | 15)
    DOZER (Traktor Mul Control Device) Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    TM KURYER Katyusha MRL, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (1 | 14)
    TRAKTOR MUL (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    TRAKTOR MUL (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)

    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    My thought is that the Streloks give me a shot at forward observing LT targets for the Traktor Mul to drop rockets on, with the second group's orders powering the artillery after spending the first turn fueling the antipode rampage, and that otherwise I'm mostly hunting targets with the Frontovik/Vet link (probably with the HMG as my data tracker). Also hoping that I'll be able to walk the Spetsnaz on opportunistically and maybe get a LT kill with it.

    I'm a little worried about the squishiness of the Kazak lieutenant, but I'm hoping to be able to hide her in the backfield reasonably close to the Dozer and the Mul for a little defense. Also considered dropping her entirely and going with the HMG Vet lieutenant to free up some SWC, but that seemed risky.

    Thoughts?