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List brainstorming thread

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Jonno, Nov 29, 2018.

  1. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    There's two kinds of smoke tricks
    1: Rui Shi and Shaolin happy couple.
    2: Self-contained melee-enhancers (MacHaon, Saito, etc)
    (3: get to the objective)

    Number 1 has the problem of typically being very costly in terms of orders. ODD is typically a lot more order efficient for the same MOD, and yes it's typically blown out of proportions because all you can remember as an opponent is those one or two times per game it worked like a charm and then fail to realise what an utter nightmare a Bulletteer would've been in the same list. As an anecdote, I often find that once a specific obstacle has been removed a Husong can be at least as good, if not better, at Ramboing the enemy as a Rui Shi.
    Number 2 is a lot harder. Usually you'll want at least a modicum of order efficiency with your Rambo which means putting the smoke template juuust right. Then you realise that you don't have LOF to that spot and need to Speculative Fire (typically this is because the spot is at an elevated position or that the spot is on the other side of a chest-high wall or around a corner)
    Number 3 is mostly there to annoy Pan-O. I've only experienced a rare few games where this has been decisive and that was with Eclipse Grenades anyway.
     
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  2. siri

    siri Well-Known Member

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    Completely forgot the AVA . Sorry.

    In my local gaming community the smoke trick Is always a thing.
    Sniper in a nest ? Smoke trick him with hmg
    Fireteam? Smoke and cc.

    Maybe it's a local thing.
     
  3. Maksimas

    Maksimas Maxi

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    Perhaps
    Maybe smoke tricks are so non-intimidating in my area because Ariadna is the most numerous faction locally and smoke is more often used as a LoF block than an offensive tool due to the prevelance of order-spam lists...?
     
  4. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    That particular list was made pre uprising. There's alot of things you could do different with it now.
     
  5. Maksimas

    Maksimas Maxi

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    Considering how old it is... yeah, I do suppose so.
    Now we have a fourth S5 HI, we have a new amazing Lieutenant unit, buncha new merc related stuff and all that.
     
  6. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    It's certainly something to keep in the back of your mind.

    Irregular models like Shaolin or Yuan-yuans make it very likely to happen. It's a little less likely with Imperial SS, since the only smoke is the KSCD. It's even more likely with Impetuous models with smoke, like Yojimbo. Move+Smoke in the Impetuous phase is almost guaranteed to happen.
     
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  7. SKOZZOKONZ

    SKOZZOKONZ Well-Known Member

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    I had this list set up for possibly frontline, engineering deck and decapitation in an event soon though I'm still not sure about it.

    Natcon ??──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4 HSIEN HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 61) RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26) WÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) LIÚ XĪNG Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 32) CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2 DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29) NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29) KǍNRÈN Minelayer Boarding Shotgun, Chain-colt, Sniffer / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 27) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) PANGGULING (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) 4.5 SWC | 299 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
  8. vorthain

    vorthain Well-Known Member

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    I'm dipping back in after an absence, and want to try my hand at IA. These would be for friendly games, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something amid the new(ish) stuff:

    Option 1: Zhanshi-centric (300/6; 5 specialists)
    Daoying hacker lieutenant
    Rui Shi
    Zhencha FO w/ SMG
    DUO: Mowang MULTI + Haidao KHD
    CORE: Shang Ji HRL, Son-Bae ML, Zhanshi HMG, Zhanshi FO, Zhanshi
    Group 2: WarCor, Liu Xing MULTI SO

    The first three are unchanged between lists. This uses cheapo Zhanshis so I can afford the Liu Xing. I know Shang Jis are poo-poo'ed a bit, but BS13 HRL seems nothing to sneeze at, especially linked up. They'd generally stay back while the Mowang and Haidao do their business. Liu Xing is icing on top.

    Option 2: Paintrain-lite (300/6; 5 specialists)
    Daoying hacker lieutenant
    Rui Shi
    Zhencha FO w/ SMG
    DUO: Mowang Red Fury + Haidao KHD
    CORE: Zuyong HMG, Zuyong FO, Zuyong Tinbot, Son-Bae, Haidao Engineer

    This one is Limited Insertion (not by design), and has 3 Zuyongs supported by a bot and MI. Mowang also gets an arguably better gun. Not sure if not having AD will hamstring this force though. The Core team will be more active than with the Zhanshis, but its always a lot of eggs in one basket with HI core.
     
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  9. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    As someone also going to that event I'm not sure how much you want me viewing and commenting. But I'm taking druze, so I'm not likely to be your competition for top table :P

    Anyway, for these 3 missions you've got a few choices I don't think really carry their weight.

    1. Kanren sniffer - I don't see many players relying on the classic hidden deploy specialist that this guy is great at countering. Overall I don't think sensor is going to be incredibly useful in these missions. As such, this guy isn't well suited doing what the missions really need - surviving. A zhencha or guilang would be much better use of his points.

    2. Liu Xing BSG - for these missions you're really looking for a problem solver. In which case I'd definitely advocate the multi-rifle, bonus he is a specialist for ENG deck. If the game state requires some mid-field fighting, the BSG is going to be sorely lacking if hes been playing with his food in the DZ. Also extra points for capturing zones.

    3. Overall the list doesn't bring much to take an hold the mid-ground. Which is the primary focus of frontline, and a tied-for-first focus of ENG deck.

    Overall not bad, I think its mainly the kanren that I'm not loving. Something for a bit more ARO presence, particularly for Decap would be good although I know Yu Jing is particularly weak on that front but you've left so much SWC on the table you could even pop in a dirty libertos minelayer.
     
  10. Joametz

    Joametz Chinese Empire in Space enthusiast

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    Hi people, I'm playing Unmasking against Onyx on friday (local league) and my IA list so far looks like this:

    Unmasking
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    TAI SHENG Mk12, Chain-colt, Stun Grenades / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 45)
    ZÚYŎNG (Fireteam: Haris, Tactical Awareness) Combi Rifle + 1 TinBot B (Deflector L2) / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0.5 | 34)
    HǍIDÀO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
    ZÚYŎNG (Fireteam: Duo, Tactical Awareness) HMG / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (1.5 | 38)
    HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 37)
    ZÚYŎNG (Fireteam: Haris, Tactical Awareness) Combi Rifle + 1 TinBot B (Deflector L2) / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0.5 | 34)
    ZÚYǑNG Boarding Shotgun / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0 | 26)
    SON-BAE Yaókòng Smart Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 18)
    DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29)
    PANGGULING FTO (Repeater) Light Shotgun / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    Tai Sheng DT + KHD Haris to push buttons and kill decoys/designated targets and a solid Core that can play defense with MSR and SML during reactive but also switch gears with a Panggu FTO and move forward if needed.

    Thoughts?
     
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  11. Azuset

    Azuset Well-Known Member

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    What is FD1? And how does the Daoying do it?
     
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  12. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Forward Deployment L1, and it's a bonus in ITS10 to Medium Infantry models like the Daoying.
     
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  13. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    What he said! Unfortunately it's one of those "extra" rules of CB. Its a part of the competitive play missions. While the "extra" rules can be fun, they can be a pain too. Feel free to ignore it if you never plan on playing competitively.
     
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  14. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    Good luck avoiding the noctifers!