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Discussion in 'O-12' started by MikeTheScrivener, Aug 29, 2019.

  1. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Just pointing out the irony that the only model with native stealth in o-12 is a deployment zone camping hacker – and not something like the CC warband or a highly trained Heavy Infantry.

    While it isn't useless on the cyberghost, just corner-case.
     
  2. Nathonicus

    Nathonicus Well-Known Member

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    Anyone else been using the Zeta unit? I have been playing the Operation Wildfire models + Zeta, proxying Hipolyta as a verangian to try and play with as few proxies as possible.

    The Heavy Riotstopper has been hilarious. HRMC does what it do. Climbing plus seems super strong with the combo of weapons. Normally the tables I play on can funnel a tag into very dicey positions. With a gun with amazing range and climbing plus, being able to deny easy access to enemy cc, hackers, and so on, while raining bullets from afar has been amazing.

    It's also gratifying to glue a piece, walk away from it, then throw your 5th die at it while still having 4 for your main target.

    I've only played a handful of missions so far, but as a guy who loves Tags, the Zeta has won me over.

    Verangians have been great for Defending said Tag at the start of the game. Enemy impersonators don't want to tangle with them, and if they do reveal the guard can just throw smoke on the tag, allowing it to walk away.
     
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  3. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    I've used it twice, both times in Limited Insertions lists. I like him. Not crazy expensive, and has decent support in the army.

    Climbing plus is a huge boon for this guy. Being able to escape really easily over all terrain is a huge help for a TAG. It also makes it hard for your opponent to plan for a B5 gun that can see pretty much whatever it wants with relative ease. So many opponents think that laying a trooper prone behind a wall or left chilling behind a building is safe. Not with the Zeta around.

    This is actually a pretty important thing to remember. often times it feels like I'll be taking opponents' troopers out of combat only for them to still generate an order for the next two turns. Always remember to shoot what you glue!

    I find O-12 to be really resistant to impersonators in general. there just isn't a whole lot that they really want to fight. No link teams to blow apart, LTs that are tough, and just DTW and mad traps littered everywhere. There are a handful of units to protect but having a Varangian or mantrap close by can do the trick. It's also worth it to note that the Sirius bot is a great way to cover the Zeta. Heavy riot stopper for anyone who comes into visibility and a repeater to counter-hack. what more could you want.
     
  4. Deathwig

    Deathwig Well-Known Member

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    As someone who's been out of the game for a while but has recently returned and will be getting wildfire shortly the 0-12 look really appealing to me especially the betatroopers with their 6-2 movement, climbing plus and mimetism (seriously that specialist operative profile is a fucking steal!)
     
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  5. Andre82

    Andre82 Well-Known Member

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    I ran this list last night to test out midfield defense for decapitation vs Spiral.
    MVP was the SiriusBots, but the Gangbusters was no joke.
    Not sure how I feel about the Gamma still.
    I want to dislike the Alpha as it represents everything I hate in a unit.



    O-12
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    ALPHA Lieutenant (Strategos L2) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    GAMMA HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 57)
    SIRIUS Red Fury + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 29)
    [​IMG] SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    SIRIUS Boarding Shotgun + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    GANGBUSTER Combi Rifle + Light Riotstopper, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    FUZZBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUZZBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]2
    MONSTRUCKER Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    EPSILON MULTI Sniper, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
    LAMBDA Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    4.5 SWC | 300 Points
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  6. Phayton

    Phayton Active Member

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    I´ll should definetly give the Zeta a try. Specially now that he has Tactical Awareness!

    Zeta 14
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUZZBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    FUZZBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    ALPHA Lieutenant (Strategos L2) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    ZETA Hyper-Rapid Magnetic Cannon + Heavy Riotstopper / AP CC Weapon. (2 | 93)
    [​IMG] ZETBOT Flash Pulse / Electric Pulse. (0 | 0)
    EPSILON HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
    SIRIUS (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    MONSTRUCKER Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    DAKINI Tacbot MULTI Sniper Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 21)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, 2 Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 13)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

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  7. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Care to elaborate? Do you feel as though it is "too optimized"?

    It's funny, my friend feels this way and is always quick to voice his opinion. I have to remind him that the Shukra has already been doing this for months.

    Zeta is one of the big winners from this update. The mid-price TAGs imo benefit the most. It's so easy to actually fit 14-15 orders in with the Zeta and an extra on top of that. I like the list btw.

    It's nice to see both of you taking the Monstrucker, I do aswell – IMO he's just a way better value than the lambda.
     
  8. Sven F.

    Sven F. Dismember
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    So... Wild Bill in O-12, any thoughts?

    In other news: another upvote for the Monstrucker. Using his irregular order and two YudBots to clear midfield mines, drop bears or telling another story of one of his roadtrips "for free" is worth more than +3 pts.
     
  9. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    I have yet to experiment – but to be honest, I'm not sure if O-12 is the place for him.

    I love his profile and his model and I'm a huge fan of cowboys. He's great when he can insert himself in a link team and gets to move up "for free", supporting an HMG and then busting out those sweet B4 multi pistols hitting on 19s is great! But when you have to spend orders on an individual pistoleer who starts in your deployment zone you can't help but think theres a better use of the orders and points.

    Let's look at what role he plays and what he's competing with. IMHO I can see him being a decent counter-attack piece or a beta attacker. Wild bill is all about timing, he wants the enemy to spend a couple orders only to get stuck in the mid board, or enemy infiltrators to reveal themselves and sit on or near an objective. Then he can move up and pick them apart. ideally. For this role or this type of role we have a number of pieces natively – the SMR epsilon, SMR Lynx, Plasma Lynx, Team Sirius, and even the combi gangbuster to an extent. It's hard to justify his mid 20s points cost when we have so many other SWC free or SWC-lite pieces at that points range that perform the same or similar role. Really the only thing he has over these other guys is resilience – NWI and hyper dynamics can be annoying to deal with.

    I don't think he's useless, hardly anything is, just doesn't really fit into lists naturally. You'll probably have to go out of your way to use him.
     
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  10. mahtandakil

    mahtandakil Member

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    Great, I was trying to make my own list with the Zeta, but I have not been possible to make anything enought good. How this list works?
     
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  11. TheRedZealot

    TheRedZealot Well-Known Member
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    Looks like:

    Gangbuster + Sirius unit clog up the midfield to deter your opponent from making attack runs and hold lanes open for the Zeta to advance.

    Kytta, and Dakini provide long range AROs, to help cut down fire lanes and penalize impetuous units.

    Epsilon and Varangian use the good old smoke trick to help clear anything the TAG would have trouble with.

    The rest is orders, smoke and specialists.
     
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    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    Like, applying my own TAG list building advice I get something like this:

    Hello Zeta
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4
    ZETA Lieutenant Hyper-Rapid Magnetic Cannon + Heavy Riotstopper / AP CC Weapon. (3 | 93)
    [​IMG] ZETBOT Flash Pulse / Electric Pulse. (0 | 0)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    FUZZBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    OKO Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]1
    PEELER HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    CYBERGHOSTS Hacker(Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 26)
    ALPHA (Chain of Command) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 29)
    MONSTRUCKER Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    5.5 SWC | 300 Points
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    Which I feel would be pretty good for combat oriented missions.
     
  13. Phayton

    Phayton Active Member

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    Exactly!
    Monstrucker also has climbing plus to keep up with the Zeta
     
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  14. FireFangs

    FireFangs Space Oni

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    He should be able to shoot down the pilot of any TAG and climb into it while yelling "BROTHER! Look as I surpass my own origin!"

    You also get a bonus shot when he's killed if you say "Fox.......die....?"
     
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  15. Sven F.

    Sven F. Dismember
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    After I've given him some thought I more or less agree to your assessment. Just like all the ITS winner models he has better competing alternatives. Now, what to do with the model I won in yesterday's tournament.
     
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  16. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    Paint it 'cause he's badass!
     
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  17. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    Sell him to your local USAriadna player?
     
  18. Fearbox

    Fearbox Active Member

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    Played in a tournenment with spec opts this weekend and finished 3rd with 2 draws and a Major.
    The Missions where:
    SUPREMACY
    COUNTERMEASURES
    ACQUISITION

    I wanted to test out the Zeta, and only played the below list once in Supremacy, in which my Zeta got glued on the 3rd or of my first turn so no real thoughts on the tag, the game ended in a 5 to 5 tie.

    Tag
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    [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]2
    GAMMA Feuerbach / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 58)
    ZETA Hyper-Rapid Magnetic Cannon + Heavy Riotstopper / AP CC Weapon. (2 | 93)
    [​IMG] ZETBOT Flash Pulse / Electric Pulse. (0 | 0)
    ALPHA Lieutenant (Strategos L2) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    SIRIUS (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    MONSTRUCKER Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    KAPPA (Infinity Spec-Ops) (11 XP) (Minelayer, Doctor, Holoprojector L1) Combi Rifle, Heavy Riotstopper / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    3.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    My other list was designed for Countermeasures, having played the mission 6 times now with 0-12 I am finding that I auto include 2 Gangbuster KHD, and I almost always run the AHD team Sirius as I gain a hacking net that most people dont want to mess with and can force a lot of wasted orders on expensive rambo peices. After being uncertain about the Alpha, I am not sure you want to take anything else as being able to hold back 2 models is a huge adavantage, and with the amout of TO avaliable to O-12 may opponets don't know that I am going to drop a Gamma and a Zeta on them.


    Highly Classified
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]3
    ALPHA Lieutenant (Strategos L2) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    BETATROOPER Spitfire, 2 Nanopulser + 1 TinBot A / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 42)
    SIRIUS Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Submachine Gun + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    OKO Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    EPSILON HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]2
    LYNX MULTI Sniper, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34)
    MONSTRUCKER Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    KAPPA (Infinity Spec-Ops) (11 XP) (Minelayer, Doctor, Holoprojector L1) Combi Rifle, Heavy Riotstopper / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    What are your go to's, what are you finding hard to fit in?
     
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  19. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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    O-12
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    [​IMG]9 [​IMG]4
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    GANGBUSTER Combi Rifle + Light Riotstopper, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    GANGBUSTER Combi Rifle + Light Riotstopper, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    KAPPA Hacker (Hacking Device) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 15)

    0.5 SWC | 125 Points

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    Ends up being pretty much the bed rock of every single one of my lists. every so often the Kappa will become a Cyberghost and the Combi Gangbusters the KHD versions. I also generally find myself taking the Dakini HMG a lot more than a TR bot – he has a lot more flexibility in the active turn and can also be more troublesome in ARO with some set-up. Big sleeper hit imho.

    Honestly, I've been having trouble fitting the Omega in my lists. I find the Beta to be a lot more applicable and offers a different rangeband that so much of the other army doesn't already cover. In my lists the epsilon HMG ends up being a staple so it's a little harder to justify another negative mod HMG shooter.
     
  20. Fearbox

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    @MikeTheScrivener what is your go to Lt? I agree the beta trooper spitfire is a great peice and beats out the Omega in most of my lists aswell. How are you using your Gangbusters are they an active unit or something that just sits there?

    Surpisingly the Gamma has pulled it weight in the games that I have tried it in, but in general I feel it is to expensive for what it does. I have not used the razor as the gangbuster does pretty much everything it does but cheaper. I have found the Lynx MSR, with the two gangbusters, and team sirus AHD to be invaulable going second to stop rambo peices like Achillies.