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Discussion in 'O-12' started by deltakilo, Aug 2, 2019.

  1. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    Not really no, the Kappa maybe if I'm low on points. Whenever I consider something like the Gamma or Omega or some other door kicking LT I find it's pointless as I'd rather have the non LT version and the alpha to get more flexibility in order expenditure.
     
  2. 0rph3u5

    0rph3u5 TAG, you're it! :3

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    I might have an ever-so-slight... affection... for massed armor and limited insertion lists... soooooooooooo...
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    OMEGA HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 48)
    BETATROOPER Spitfire, 2 Nanopulser + 1 TinBot A / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 42)
    BETATROOPER Doctor (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, 2 Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 37)
    BETATROOPER (Specialist Operative) MULTI Rifle, 2 Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 39)
    ALPHA Lieutenant (Strategos L2) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    RAZOR (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, 2 Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, 2 Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    EPSILON MULTI Sniper, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    Omega HMG 'cause *BANG* *BANG* *BANG*
    Beta Spitfire 'cause BS13 mimetism spitfire with climbing plus. Tinbot in case of hacking
    Beta Specialist Operative 'cause midfield mimetism multi-rifle specialists with climbing plus are pretty rad
    Beta Doctor to help save the Omega when he INEVITABLY runs into trouble..... and button pressing
    Alpha Lt. 'cause extra orders and deployment flexibility
    Gangbuster KHD 'cause enemy hackers are annoying
    Razor FO for button pressing (can hide if 2nd turn with TO)
    Varangians for smoke and deployment zone templates (regular impetuous so they don't always run!)
    Epsilon sniper for AROs, anti-camo, and smoke + MSV2

    It... seems like an okay list. Any critiques? Not sure about the gangbuster KHD 'cause enemy killer hackers can zap him if they have first turn, but I guess the madtraps and more conservative deployment can help with that.

    Heckin' CHONKER
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    ZETA Hyper-Rapid Magnetic Cannon + Heavy Riotstopper / AP CC Weapon. (2 | 93)
    [​IMG] ZETBOT Flash Pulse / Electric Pulse. (0 | 0)
    ALPHA Lieutenant (Strategos L2) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, 2 Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, 2 Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    RAZOR Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 37)
    BETATROOPER Spitfire, 2 Nanopulser + 1 TinBot A / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 42)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    EPSILON MULTI Sniper, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MONSTRUCKER Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Drop Bears / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

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    Zeta 'cause *BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT*
    Gangbuster KHD and Monstrucker for normal TAG support
    Razor AHD 'cause I had leftover points and I prefer a combi for midfield in case I need to take out a TR bot or anyone else. Might downgrade him to an FO and change the monstrucker to a Lambda.
    Varangians and Epsilon sniper again for the same reason as above
    Beta spitfire 'cause I need moar guns
    Kytta for its winning personality

    Again, still not sold on the gangbuster KHD. All it takes is a single enemy madtrap, crazykoala, or cheap robot to set both my madtraps off and his brain is now on fire, but it's one of the cheapest KHD in the army (so far) and he starts midfield. Any thoughts?
     
  3. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    My alpha got nailed to a wall by a droptroop yesterday because there was nowhere in my DZ that I could safely hide his hefty S4 base. I still like the profile, but I think I'd probably also be pretty comfortable with two generic koopa troopers sitting on different ends of the DZ and a few saved points in the bank.
     
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  4. ZlaKhon

    ZlaKhon New scale enthusiast

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    Had my first game yesterday as well and I found that protecting an Alpha against Raoul Spector takes up a lot more resources than I would like. I had a safe hiding spot, but I wouldn’t want to risk Raoul making an assisted jump, eating a template and then BSGing me to hell.

    Not really sure how to get around that yet. In LI I think a fighting LT and Alpha CoC might be a good option. For larger order pools, the two Kappa might be the best way to go since you aren’t that starved for SWC if you buy into Dakinis with HMG, TR bots etc rather than too many HI.
     
  5. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Stick a Gangbuster's MadTraps close to the Alpha, maybe? Lynx with Plasma Carbine, Multi Sniper or Shock Marskman Rifle to provide an ARO that Raoul doesn't get up from (and doesn't know about)?

    Or possibly stick a Sirius' pet nearby - that's a template that Raoul does not want to eat.
     
  6. ieanderson12

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    I just finished my first game with them and I 10-0 my opponent. Epsilon managed to wreck some yaogats and daturazi followed by a dive bomb varingian and the gamma rolled forward to kill the rest of the army while I pushed buttons with a gang buster and forward observer kappa. It was surprisingly efficient and good.
    3rd go at it
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]3
    ALPHA Lieutenant (Strategos L2) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    BOUNTY HUNTER Sniper Rifle / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    KAPPA Hacker (Hacking Device) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 15)
    KAPPA (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    EPSILON MULTI Sniper, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
    GAMMA HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 57)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    PEELER HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    LAMBDA Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    LAMBDA Engineer Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  7. Palomides

    Palomides Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone tried the Omega LT yet? I know it's a hefty investment, but he or she won't have the vulnerability of the Alpha and MULTI Rifles aren't bad (although an LT with HMG would be really appreciated).
     
  8. Civilized Barbarian

    Civilized Barbarian Praxis' Lead R&D Janitor

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    I'm thinking something like this would be fun.


    O-12
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]4 SIRIUS Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Submachine Gun + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25) [​IMG]
    SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    SIRIUS (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24) [​IMG]
    SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    BETATROOPER Spitfire, 2 Nanopulser + 1 TinBot A / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 42)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    ALPHA Lieutenant (Strategos L2) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 26)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    BETATROOPER Doctor (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, 2 Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 37)
    DELTA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Riotstopper, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    3.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    I mostly play Nomads so I'm treating Gangbusters like Morans and Betas like Hollowmen. From there focused on board control/defense with a couple hunter options.

    Could drop 2 Varangians for a Lamda Engineer and repeater bot to support the Betas and Dakini.
     
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  9. ZlaKhon

    ZlaKhon New scale enthusiast

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    All of those work, but I feel that at least for me that is too many points spend on the LT issue. Gangbuster and Team Sirius I‘d like to protect the midfield and for my TO units I‘d prefer to pick the best position rather than to find an okish position that also protects the LT.

    I think a Varangian nearby for the additional template so that dying on the jump at least becomes a possibility for Raoul (abd even more likely for plain 1W AD troops) might already do the trick and is pretty much all the resources I‘d be willing to allocate to that problem. Let’s see if that works in the next games..
     
  10. FreezeZ

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    So I have played today with O-12. My opponent is quite new to Infinity and I am not experienced player myself. The mission was Show of Force. It was O-12 vs JSA.

    Omega died to Kitsune in first turn so its hard to tell how good is he. But she died in the same order killed by lucky crit from Varangian. MVP of the match was Beta and Kytta duo. They fought against Saito and Domaru around panoplie. Flash pulses to the rescue. But I will say that Beta with cybermask is quite good and troublesome for opponent.

    O-12
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    OMEGA MULTI Rifle + Heavy Riotstopper / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 45)
    EPSILON MULTI Sniper, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
    BETATROOPER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, 2 Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
    KAPPA Hacker (Hacking Device) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 15)
    KAPPA Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 12)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    OKO Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)

    3 SWC | 200 Points

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  11. Palomides

    Palomides Well-Known Member

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    So here's something I'm playing with conceptually. I'll probably swap the two Epsilons for two Varangians, but the idea is pretty straightforward. Use the Omega and Epsilons to clear out the midfield, trust Dakini to secure objectives. Goldstein can show up to wreck shop where needed.

    amicus curiae
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4
    DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    CUERVO GOLDSTEIN Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 42)
    OMEGA HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 48)
    ALPHA Lieutenant (Strategos L2) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 26)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5
    EPSILON MULTI Sniper, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
    KAPPA Hacker (Hacking Device) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 15)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    EPSILON HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
    5.5 SWC | 300 Points
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  12. ZlaKhon

    ZlaKhon New scale enthusiast

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    Looks solid. I’m not a fan of Goldstein, but let’s see how he does on the tabletop. What do you mean by replacing two Epsilons with two Varangians? That works neither in points nor AVA.
     
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  13. Palomides

    Palomides Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, I mean just swapping them in order groups. Putting the Epsilons in group one and two Varangians in group two. It would, theoretically, give me more orders to spend on my attack pieces. Although they are then competing with the Omega / Goldstein.

    I share some of your concerns about Goldstein and considered swapping him for either Hippolyta or just a Delta. But...I like the model and an AD missile can be SO helpful at times.
     
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  14. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    I'd actually boot the Alpha out of Group 1.

    But, it's looking pretty good, I'd love to see it on the table.
     
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  15. ZlaKhon

    ZlaKhon New scale enthusiast

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    This is a slight tweak on the list just in case Goldstein doesn’t work out. It looses a specialist, but I hope the Delta makes up for it in terms of mobility.

    amicus curiae──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]3 ALPHA Lieutenant (Strategos L2) 2 Light Shotguns, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 26) DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15) VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) VARANGIAN Light Shotgun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) OMEGA HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 48) EPSILON HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30) HIPPOLYTA Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 38) KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) FUZZBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]2 EPSILON MULTI Sniper, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30) VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12) KAPPA Hacker (Hacking Device) Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 15) DELTA Doctor (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) 5.5 SWC | 299 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
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  16. Palomides

    Palomides Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! That's a good idea to help balance the command groups, I may try that. Although it will be some time before I get this to the table. I want to at least have the Wildfire O-12 forces painted up before proxying the rest.

    Thanks. I actually had a really similar variation cooked up as well. Hippolyta can serve as a similar missile to Goldstein and I'm really interested in seeing how she works.
     
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  17. Phayton

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    Played Hippolyta two times. She performed better than I expected. both times she managed to get some kills. But she needs some orders to get close to the enemy with Eclipse smoke etc. But Eclipse is really nice in times of linked msv2 snipers...
     
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  18. Tongfa

    Tongfa proudly selling out since 1991

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    I feel people are sleeping slightly on the Sirius profiles. The fact that the robo-dog is a repeater is huge - they're white noise platforms that start in the midfield, opening up all sorts of avenues for the omega/any other TO/ODD model to swing through. They also synergise with the ubiquitous 2x GangBusters KHDs.

    Also the Sirius Red Fury can pull the White noise/Xenotech trick against linked MSV2 profiles as well with relative ease - while it's nowhere near a sure bet as with the other factions, no one wants to cop a BS12 Red Fury + Large Glue Template into their linked MSV2.
     
  19. Tongfa

    Tongfa proudly selling out since 1991

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    2x Kappa, 2x Sirius inc. Red Fury Sirius, 2x VGs (Omega DT + XT)
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    KAPPA Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 12)
    KAPPA Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    OMEGA HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 48)
    CYBERGHOSTS Hacker(Hacking Device Plus) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 26)
    SIRIUS Red Fury + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 29)
    [​IMG] SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    SIRIUS (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges + 1 SiriusBot / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] SIRIUSBOT Heavy Riotstopper / Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    GANGBUSTER Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Submachine Gun, MadTrap / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    LAMBDA Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    OKO Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]2
    EPSILON MULTI Sniper, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    VARANGIAN Submachine Gun, Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    KYTTÄ Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    6 SWC | 299 Points
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    Rough list. Group 2 is the crumple zone, with the O12 version of nisse and jaguars + 2x Flash Pulse bots.

    Went with 2x Kappas over the Alpha as I'm not sure if I like the S4. It didn't work for Voronin, and I'm not sure if it works for this guy. The SWC 1 on the Kappa Lt could potentially be painful, but for some reason I've not really feeling as SWC-starved in building O12 as with others. The CyberGhost HD+ I feel is non-negotiable - it's one of the best hacking pieces in O12 and O12 with its Varangians, Mad-traps, etc is better positioned than most at keeping it safe, even without link teams.

    The Omega Datatracker + Xenotech leverages the non-marker midfield pieces inc. the white noise Sirius repeaters. The Sirius Red Fury is a solid attack piece as well, and can utilise the White Noise trick if that's your cup of tea. The dual gangbusters do gangbuster things. There's actually a savage amount of large templates in this list, two of which are heavy riotstoppers which I like. They're not heavy flamers, but at least they keep the HI link teams, etc honest.

    I haven't really delved into the more esoteric options like Lynx, Betas, Basilisks, etc - these are just my initial thoughts. This is just meant to be a list that has modest long-ranged ARO presence, solid midfield starting pieces that do surprising well as non-marker 'skirmishers' with a generous smattering of strong attack pieces.

    O12 feels nice to build - it has a lot of very efficient regular orders (Gangbusters, Sirius, Omega, 2-3 Varangians) that do very well without being linked.

    Not so keen on the Blue + Gold color scheme - looks a bit campy - probably will paint them like freaking Cerberus from Mass Effect or something.
     
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  20. Tongfa

    Tongfa proudly selling out since 1991

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    unrelated - but the 'peacekeeper' rule just makes me think of the O12 guys as those dudes in the Lego Batman movie yelling "NON-LETHAL"