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Lasiqs in Bahram

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by ambisinister, May 16, 2018.

  1. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Every time their fireteam is mentioned, someone chimes in to offer a gimmick with Lasiq core, coordinated suppression and Ghulam fireteam ready to be formed with a token. Maybe that can work is some missions, but the cost and utter lack of flexibility makes this trick questionable.

    EDIT: Obligatory "CB missed an opportunity to add Lasiq linkability to Yasbir hurr durr" goes here.
     
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  2. Ixidro

    Ixidro Deep agent infiltrated in PanOceanian HQ

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    In my games, Lasiqs work as a lone ARO option in Vanilla. I usually have the SWC to spare bc there's no fireteam cuota to invest on.

    In hassassin, muyibs are simply better because dogged>mimetism. Also, muyibs are cheaper SWC-wise. Thus, you can bring extra daylami who can threaten the midfield even if they fail their infiltration roll.

    So yeah, stay away from that expensive link team who can accomplish nothing after taking two casualties.

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  3. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    Since T2 Marksman Rifles are a thing now, I cant wait to see a Viral Marksman Rifle. Would be amazing for Lasiqs and could come with a Haris profile, if CB would care to update them.

    But I fear, if this weapon is introduced, it will be in RTF, since its the shiny new release.
     
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  4. ambisinister

    ambisinister Broken Zoetrope

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    Lasiqs definitely could use the love
     
  5. CabalTrainee

    CabalTrainee Well-Known Member

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    As much as i would like a Lasiq update i kinda doubt they get one. CB is usually only updating profiles when they update models (like the Raicho). And since they recently repackaged the Lasiqs it seems like they won't get any new models any time soon.
     
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  6. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    Repackaging doesnt mean that much in terms of resculpts. Ninjas and now Tankhunters got a new sculpt despite repackaging.
    But yes, they almost certainly wont see an update, because RTF is coming. But between of RTF and the Khanate there should be plenty of time to get a few resculpts in. Quapu would need some new sculpts too....
     
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  7. Papa Bey

    Papa Bey Clueless Wonder. Still.

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    Keep in mind the following.

    "We have arrived at a new stage in the game of Infinity, which will include the arrival of new armies, each and every one of them linked to the evolution of the game. To help showcase the appearance of our products in stores, the launching of new armies will result in the withdrawal of older products from our catalog."
     
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  8. ambisinister

    ambisinister Broken Zoetrope

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    I think the sculpts are fine. Some profile massage is a different story, but I recognize it is unlikely.
     
  9. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    Hello,

    maybe is a little late, but I use regulary the Lasiq Snipper in Baharam and have good results with him. I put one single model in my army, usually a list think to combat in short range and he put the "large rank option". The mission of the Lasiq is ARO in reactive turn (most of the times the enemy loose 3 o 4 orders to take him down, but sometimes he died at first shot XD hehehehe). In active turn he must shot the enemy troops to far for the others units (if he is still alive).

    Excepts TAGs the Lasiq snipper is a pain in the ass in the most of the confrontations. I tried always deploy the lasiq in the most isolated corner, in order to maximize the X-visor and the mimetism, if you roll your dice with +0 is not a big trouble if your rival go worse than you. You don't need a big precision in yours shots, you only need that the enemy loss the max quantity of orders.

    Like core I tried so many times include 4 lasiqs but is to expensive and you can do the same work with only 3 of them (1 snipper + 2 normal) because is that burst+1 what you want. When the snipper died in active or reactive, you still have to dangerous guys.
     
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  10. Doa

    Doa Well-Known Member

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    I'll be happy if they Can get 5fireteam members somehow
     
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  11. Edster

    Edster Well-Known Member

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    What we really want is the ability to make mixed fire teams - like the new sectorials seem to be trending.

    Imagine being able to install a Lasiq sniper/ viral rifle into your core or harris teams such as ghulam or sekbhan - yeah the 4-2 move will affect them, but the possibilities are incredibly tantalizing!

    I love the lasiq in vanilla, she's also a real threat as ARO with the VSR and so my opponent's usually steer clear of her with warbands and short range troops. Burst is king, but she can be hitting on 15's and you do not want to hit with the VSR.

    Recently I used a hafza in disguise to affect the opponents deployment - he had to hide all his 'single' models on that side of the board and put his warbands elsewhere which opened up a gap for the first turn push.

    This tactic was revealed as slightly overconfident in the second turn when he went after the lasiq as priority #1 with everything he had. Imagine both our surprise when I revealed that it was only a hafza and then remembered that it was my LT out on display to provoke him Next time I'll remember to put my LT as someone else! whoops!
     
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  12. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Well, being able to mix in another Fireteam would certianly help Lasiq's attractiveness.
    The rpoblem is - with whom? No troop in the Bahram matches the Lasiq's unique mobility... also, we already do have the mixed fireteam there in the form of Asawira / Muyib Haris.
     
  13. Xeurian

    Xeurian Well-Known Member

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    Druze can link with Brawlers in Bayram. Is being of a different mobility class so great an issue?

    With that limitation set aside, if I had to pick it would be either with some Ghilim or with Govads.
     
  14. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Well, it would be an obvious pick, either Ghilim or Govads. The question is - what would that bring to a table, except for a Lasiq with full Fireteam bonus?

    As for mobility... being a 4-2 in a team of 4-4 is not a big deal (though still a deal). Being Climbing Plus in a team who can't climb without a ladder*, well, that's another kettle of fish.

    * I'm exxagerating here, of course, but I'm sure you catch my drift.
     
  15. Xeurian

    Xeurian Well-Known Member

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    Yes of course you must be exagerating. I've never seen a kettle made of fish!

    But more seriously, yes. I believe using a Lasiq with the full/flexible fireteam bonus is the advantage. Leaving alone the potential for the +3BS of a full Core, having a Mimitism attack piece with a Rifle and X-Visor would make for a very good option to throw into a link. A Lasiq only team lacks both specialists and flexibility, making them less attractive, while no other team in Hassassin Bahram can stack visibility mods defensively. A sniper with some defensive Ghilim would also be a nice team option.

    I'm not certain having a climbing plus member is such a disadvantage to the team considering it's just an added bonus. The 4-2 may be the greatest disadvantage.
     
  16. Doa

    Doa Well-Known Member

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    Main problem, imho, is givin a x visor-mimetism-viral sniper a +3 for 5men Ft
    Means 3 hit with a lot of bonus. To make this CB could raise cost of lasiq
    And any other troops, that link with them, could give to ft access to useful weapon(ex bsg for short aro) or could lower the total price(imagine a mixed ft with goulam)
     
  17. Xeurian

    Xeurian Well-Known Member

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    This is why I thing Govads are the better choice. The Govads are already more expensive so it factors in. You could also limit the amount of Lasiqs allowed in the mixed fireteam. Not sure how few is few enough to make it balanced without making it not enough Lasiqs to be worth creating a new fireteam.
     
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  18. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Having thought over Lasiq recently, I'd suggest either updating them with:
    • Haris profile,
    • Specialist loadout (Forward Observer most fitting, but Specialist Operative would do)
    • Marksmanship L2 (at a reduced price, since they already have Shock-like effect buildt into their Viral weapons).
    Or redoing the unit entirely into Camo / Ambush Camo snipers.

    Since they were intended from the begining to be non-Camo snipers, however, I guess the first suggestion is likely to fit better.

    We don't need a Lasiq Core Team, not without getting many more profiles (@Stiopa had compared the Lasiqs to Bagh Mari, but I consider the Bagh Mari to be a conventional MI option with all the loadouts available - more in-line with Druze Shock Teams, Sekban or Djanbazan, as contrasted to the extremally narrow specialzation field of Lasiqs).
     
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  19. emperorsaistone

    emperorsaistone Well-Known Member

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    With Marksmanship Viral does two BTS and two ARM Damage. I dont think a price discount would be appropriate there;)

    Besides that, I think it is stepping to much on the toes of the Zhayedan. A solution could be to give Lvl 1 only to the Sniper on a non linkable profile. Everything else would be far to good.

    I wouldnt complain about a specialist, but for me Lasiqs are just killers and their profiles should reflect that.
    Haris would be awesome, but I would also like the possibility to field them as 5 man core. Just to emphasize the killyness.
     
  20. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    You're right, forcing 4 saving throws per hit would be far too much. Two is absolutely adequate.
    I was after the ability to ignore Cover...

    Since Zhayedan and Lasiq do not meet outside of Vanilla, I don't find it to be really an issue.

    For me, this is exactly their problem: just killers and nothing else. A 5-man Core of them means you're spending ~125pts (depending on whatever profile would be brought up to fill it up) on a fireteam that can only shoot, and isn't especially maneuverable due to its size and the need to find optimum sniping positions. Thus can't be used for any purpose related to Objectives (save for providing Regular Orders for the pool). That puts them at a direct disadvantage when compared to Ghilim, Muyibs, Govads and even Asawira (& Asawira/Muyib hybrid teams).
    With Forward Observer as Specialist, they'd be (theoretically) able to call in Smart Missile strikes, which I consider a fitting way of "death from afar" approach in which Lasiq excel.
     
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