Jayths are awful and overcosted and need adjustment

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but Jayth are perfect for when you run your entire Shasvastii army as tohaa proxies and need three to four makauls.

 

Now that's the kind of evaluation you can set your watch to!

 

O O F .

 

I broadly agree; they’ve got some interesting things going on, but they just feel expensive. Not sure what you mean about MSV being to prevent them from taking advantage of albedo, though, as they do not have that rule. I tried a Haris of them in N3, mixing the red fury and short range versions. It overcomes the efficiency somewhat, as you have a longer range weapon to help the shorter range loadouts get closer. In the end, they mostly ended up feeling like overpriced Myrmidons.

 

You can still work with the white noise to block off msv troopers. But you won't be able to shoot through it with the jayth. But it might bea way to keep them safer with their mimetism - 6.
Bioimmunity would be great on them at least they have BTS 6.
I love the sculpts and the idea, but find myself often just switching them out for more shrouded, malignos or caliban instead, when listbuilding.

 

They are not, per se, overprized if you compare them with Myrmidons (chain rifle: 16 pts with mim-6, MA3...); in fact the Myrms get ARM 2 instead of BTS 6, and CC21 instead of 23, have stealth, courage and dodge +2'' instead of shas, duo, haris and NBW, and frenzy without the MSV1.

If you go for the SMG 28pts profile is prized quite good for a Suppresive Fire unit (the myrm able to enter such state costs 24pts) or to hunt enemy midfield units. Also, their E/M grenades allow them to threat both HI and TAG enemies with the usual 50% speculative fire inside their ZoC.

The problem is simply that is a multipurpose short range unit, and that you would be better served if instead of MSV1 it would get Stealth and a price discount, or even a camo without mimetism state (to represent their underground movements)...

Anyway I woulnd't say it's useless, but it's a unit that certainly has little to no relation to the Shasvastii's usual playstyle.

 

Hahahaha, that play!

 

Mmh , they can be linked in a haris and have a red fury profile on top of mimetism -6.
I have seen worse

 

Question - do you use Terrain zones on your tables?

Because 'ODD' + MSV1 is freaking terrifying if there are forests etc. involved.

 

I think most people use urban terrain, just because it's readily available. I tend to avoid terrain with fuzzy edges just to reduce disagreements.

As for Cut throats, I really like the Red fury one. Being duoed with Victors is really useful. I think giving the Jayth MSV1 was in order to not abuse the white noise potential. But you can still do it if you pair it up with a Gwailos Haris that has M-Drones. In general I prefer to have 2 sources of strong attack in an army. Below is my preferred Shas army core. The Jayth on it's own can go F2F with most non-MSV units easily, having a specialist in tow is a bonus. If there is an MSV2 unit on the table you can white noise via repeater and send in the Gwailos. You get massive hacking coverage with this.

I've had a game (N3) where a tag flanked my army and took out most of my good unit, and the Jayth was able to spent about 6 order without cover doing (3x) Mov-Dodge, then get into melee and dismember the tag. Absolute MVP.

As for the profile, I only really like the red fury one. I may try the Taiga profile since you get a free Taiga under the 15 model cap. The other just seem to be badly equipped.


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JAYTH CUTTHROATS Red Fury, E/M Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (1 | 38)
VICTOR MESSER (Hacker, Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Cybermines ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 30)
GWAILO Heavy Machine Gun / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 45)
M-DRONE FTO (Nanoscreen) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 22)
M-DRONE FTO (Nanoscreen) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 22)

3 SWC | 157 Points

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Nevermind

 

The core of the army list, not a Fireteam: Core!

 

In the post it was described as a duo and a haris.

 

When I said Core I meant list starter. It's supposed to be a Duo & a Haris



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5
JAYTH CUTTHROATS Red Fury, E/M Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (1 | 38)
VICTOR MESSER (Hacker, Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Cybermines ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 30)
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GWAILO Heavy Machine Gun / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 45)
M-DRONE FTO (Nanoscreen) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 22)
M-DRONE FTO (Nanoscreen) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 22)

3 SWC | 157 Points

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Use Holo advertisements as low vis zones. We started doing that a long time ago in N3 with ours, made them more interesting than just being treated as solid wall and made MSV1 feel better too.

 

On one of our tables we use forest rules for planters and rows of trees, it adds a bit of variety. MSV snipers love them. But Unfortunately doing a full forest table breaks the game a bit. I did a table with 30-40% forest and rock coverage. Even with our house rule that you can only see threw 1 forest patch and the second completely blocked LoS even with MSV. My Djanbzan fireteam (Multi-terrain & MSV2) completely decimated my opponent. The imbalance can get a bit much. If planning a game on a heavy forest table make sure both side are aware in advance.

 

Whoops. In my defense, I had just woken up from a long nap. My bad