Going to chop this post down a bit No ones opinion is unimportant. Actually, I'd argue that a relative newcomer being turned off by these events is more important than my own opinion. I mean, I haven't bought a lot of models in a while, and am not really planning on buying a whole lot more anytime soon. I mean, I have almost everything released for vanilla YJ and JSA already, and all the older models for Imperial Service. Depending on how many models you have, it could be possible for you to play Secessionists and only proxy Unit 9 (with the Raiden that they replaced) and Tanko (with the Haramaki). I know you said you're not fond of proxying, but you could write it off as a few of the old suits survived the Secession. But a company losing a relatively new customer should be scary as hell, since Infinity players tend towards Pokemonitis (ie, buying everything). That's a lot of lost potential revenue, @Bostria , @Interruptor , @Koni . Very much this. And very much this. Did you not see the picture w/ text about the fields of mass graves of civilians and the fire and artillery raining on the cities, and a Crane Agent telling a cameraman to make sure that this got sent to the Japanese? But the fact is that all the Japanese profiles but some Ninjas are gone. The decision is made, it cannot be changed at this time. Referring to that in the past tense is not wrong. What part of 'drinking the tears of Yu Jing players' did you not hear on that BoW video?
The fact that Yu Jing players are feeling it is testament to the action. Imagine being a recently elevated Yu Jing NCO and finding out that your staff pool has been gutted. Not to be enamored with CB's decision-making or anything, because I can see the other side of it, but as a guy that plays a lot of factions I can look at it from the outside. This particular move was a gamble in terms of fluff, business strategy, etc. and I suspect that it will pay off in the long term.
Oh jeez man, I didn't know that every single quote in CB fluff was 100% not propaganda, sometimes from the viewpoint of the other side. You keep chumping up how long you've been involved in this game and this ONE SINGLE quote has suddenly redefined the faction? I assumed the way people were talking about it, there was several different references? We've been forewarned of the change. That is functionally very different to the change actually happening. Just because you know the sun will rise tomorrow doesn't mean you can refer to it in the past tense. This phrasing is very important, because the mindset change actually makes you feel worse about an upcoming event. You start thinking like its happened, but simultaneously feel helpless to do anything because it hasn't happened. I'll say it now, I'll be totally sympathising with you guys if in the weeks following adepticon and the official JSA drop that CB say absolutely nothing about yu jing. Until then, you're just acting like apocalypse predictors. Oh so when carlos trolls PanO its just funny, but now its about yu jing its suddenly a big fuck you? I think you and others might need to reflect if you're maybe reacting from a place of increased sensitivity because its "your" faction. Carlos is a troll. Love him or hate him. I've been around long enough to know he doesn't say things literally and definitely doesn't say things to placate people who like to get upset at a pinprick.
Nothing comparable to what's been taken away from Yu Jing has ever happened to PanO. That's a false equivalency. The whole issue was the "forewarning" of a negative change was a hype train - and Yu Jing players were put off that they were expected to get hype about losing units.
I can't even really comprehend what you specifically are upset about. CB promoting their new stuff? CB warning yu Jing players? But not soon enough? You just deserving something special because you gave them fifty dollars, got some value and now it's "worthless"? Other?
It definitely wasn't a soon enough warning considering the Shikami situation. It's mostly the idea that the new hype thing in Infinity is coming at the expense of Yu Jing in the story and Yu Jing players irl, by making a portion of their minis unplayable in Yu Jing.
really. Most of your butthurt derives down to a single $10 purchase. Didn't carlos say the shikami releases were a mistake as well? How much compensation do you want for your $10? did you not get any value out of them. how much entertainment did you get versus, say a 2 hour movie. I'm not telling you that you can't be disappointed with how that played out. But your behaviour transcends disappointment. To me, you're being indignant and honestly I don't think theres anything that could have been done differently to appease you. They can't please everyone, and this time it happens to be you.
I don't play Yu Jing. I never bought a Shikami. I just think it's a real bad precedent to set to cheer and fanboy while CB is literally taking things away from players. It tells them that they don't have to try. If they had released IA concurrently with revamped JSA and made it more of an event, I would probably be happier. If they had said, we're happy to progress the story, here's some hints of what's coming with Yu Jing now that JSA is leaving, I would probably be happier. If they hadn't given the disingenuous "design space" comment about JSA leaving, I would probably be happier.
Yes. For multiple reasons. 1) It flies against established setting, as China literally wrote the book on how to win an insurgency. It gives ammunition to the secessionists, and unless that psychoCrane is a traitor to YJ, he just made his own immediate problem worse. The Imperial Service are supposed to be counterinsurgency experts... 2) It makes YJ less 'dark gray' and more cartoon villain. And I mean stupid cartoon villain, worse than Captain Planet's "look at that beautiful smog" 3) It alludes to war crimes or the appearance of war crimes. Yes, this is a story about a civil war. Those are always terrible. My own great-great-grandfather fought at Gettysburg in the Civil War, and only told his granddaughter "it was too terrible to talk about" (the only reason I know is because I have his discharge paperwork so I know what unit he was in). Nonetheless, it is extremely poor form to allude to war crimes. There's also the Secessionist Kempeitai unit fluff, where they have gone down the same road as the historical Kempeitai, executing people for not being sufficiently pro-Japanese-Emperor. Between PsychoCrane and the new Kempeitai fluff, I'm not sure I'm going to continue playing the game. My job and a lot of my training from the Navy is customer service. It's one thing to troll someone you're speaking face-to-face with, or even someone you're talking with on a forum. It's a whole different thing to be making a new product announcement and troll a quarter of your own company's customers.
To keep with the heavy tone of new releases and fluff.. In the online catalogue they stated that Danuva is Maya's gestapo.
I agree with Section9, I don't wanna be insistent but I really don't like this uprising event. Personally, as I said, now I don't know what to do, some months ago I was excited to start YJ, yes, there're other amazing armies, but I already have PanO with all its sectorial army, Haqqislam ( Hassassin mostly) and Steel Phalanx, I can't have more than four armies, I've not enough time for now, so, the only solution could be starting another army or waiting for improvements, It's really a shame because I really care about YJ and now I'm discouraged.
I only started playing Infinity in January, and Yu Jing was my army of choice. I'm not a huge fan of pure ISS or pure JSA so I chose Vanilla to get a good feel for the faction. Unfortunately I'll now have to sell about a third of my brand new models (now built and primed) as I'm not interested in starting a whole new army. What amazes me is how even some veteran players don't see the difference between a subfaction and a new independent sectorial; where the former allows you to have a collection of models that might not see use every game (one flaw with quoting ITS stats) it also allows you the option to pick models you think might be fun or useful for certain scenarios, and a new NA2 army is effectively a new model collection. I'm also shocked at how ITS/Army data are being quoted against the players and collectors. It's logical that the Ninja will see more use than other JSA in Vanilla; it's an efficient specialist (useful for ITS) that is included in the starter set, and an amazing looking miniature too. I've been told by people that certain units are never used, when I myself have them and have used them as a significant percentage of my army. Just to clarify, I'm not against the Uprising or the faction split. I think it's a fun plot development that will make Yu Jing vs JSA (and PanO) games all that much more exciting. What I have a problem with is Corvus Belli's attitude to Yu Jing players, keeping them in the dark with what happens to their faction mostly, but also justifying the split as "making room in the faction" and "you didn't use those models anyway". I'm a relatively new player, and when the spokesperson of the company I'm buying from says he'll be "drinking yu jing tears" I feel like I've just given my money to someone and am now being mocked for losing the ability to play the models I've just bought.
So I just counted and looked stuff up and I started collecting Infinity Models about 4 weeks or so ago in that time I mostly built and painted most of my models, also besides University I didn't have that much time. Then I heard from the Uprising changes and we'll... I can more or less discard about 1/4 of my models or have to use them as proxies (which I don't like the idea of). It does not help that the first time playing, I used my JSA models in Vanilla lists and I loved them, the Raiden for example did an amazing job of killing an enemy impersonator, and the Tokusetsu Butai were not only necessary but also cost effective in what they did, just to mention a few. Well now they are fancy dust gatherers since I don't plan on throwing more money at CB's face until I know when Vanilla Yu Jings versatility and option diversity is restored (I want my damn 20+ CC dedicated Monsters back ffs -. -' ).
I'm waiting for the complete thing to develop. I just hope that those converted models I have will find some use somehow...mah...
While historical Kempeitai are certainly awful, executing suspected loyalists to the former regime is par for the course for most violent revolution. It would actually be more aggravating if CB suddenly portray the Kempeitai as noble and heroic. I agree the Crane quote is dumb though, it reads more like Nomad Black Hand propaganda than anything else.
When all the smoke clears on this, if that Crane doesnt turn out to be a Kempeitai or Shasvastii agent, we are putting together a scenario where he's been court-martialed, sentenced to die, and someone stages a jailbreak. They're having to civevac him, while Yu Jing takes advantage of the ITS HVTs-can-be-shot-now rules to gun him down before he escapes.
Not that I'm one to feed these kind of silly flame war discussions, just saying that my Shikami cost me 70$, and that's not counting shipping to and from my painter. I got it home a few days before the news that he was going to be gutted from the army. But, money is a very fickle thing to discuss, who are you to look down on anyone for being upset about losing 10$ (also, where do you buy your miniatures? Where I'm from it's 14$)? Far from everyone I know can afford going to the movies often or if at all. There's plenty of wargamers on tight budgets, many whom seek out these skirmish type of games which cost less than the bigger GW ones etc. Fact remains it was a really shitty way to release the model. Admitting it was a mistake doesn't really do anything to fix it. Anyways, I'm still playing & planning on expanding my yu jing collection, just figured I'd butt in because I found your argument quite irritating :P
