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ITS F2P problematic mechanics.

Discussion in 'ITS' started by FinalForm74, Sep 30, 2021.

  1. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    The only bit that really annoys me is the temporary nature of the model to some factions. I don't really mind the buy in for the season idea, particularly given that CB's mini prices are generally pretty reasonable. $20 for the season, that many people may not even need to pay because they already own one of these things? Sure. That's fine.

    What I don't like is pushing the model on factions that can't use it after the season is over. That smells a bit. Would've been better if this was slightly more curated on a factional basis with an alternative for factions like CA or Tohaa where it doesn't make much sense and their Vanilla parent can't use the model.
     
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  2. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    I wonder how many people picked up other people's "useless now" Kasym Begs for cheap and now enjoy a good BH proxy xD

    I've always had Phantasilea, she will surely be of use now.

    I fully expect CB to lock the ITS14 "not required" model with a huge buff behind some paywall. Say... Inside TAG RAID xD
     
  3. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    When I TO tournaments probably going to just edit out the ABH rule.
     
  4. ldgif

    ldgif Well-Known Member
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    This is so funny because of how speculative garbage this is. Bike Recon is so easily avoidable its not even funny.
     
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  5. kinginyellow

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    as far as the tournament player's perspective of proxies. I have been using the nomad baggage bots for 2 years (before that was the yu-jing ones) for my aleph faction. I have been to multiple large out of state tournaments. In most games, the player does not recogonize or care that it is nomads. the few that recognize and ask me about it accept that "the aleph tricycle looks awful and this looks better" as an acceptable answer and the game continues.

    I plan on bringing aleph penny as the new motorized bounty hunter for future games, and maybe pick up one when I require a 2nd bike for some tourney's bike recon.
     
  6. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Eh, I think the complaint about pushing sales on temporary models is a valid concern. One of the things CB has been relatively good about is mostly keeping the grandfathered stuff around and playable and I'd hate to see a trend in the opposite direction from them.

    I can totally see this mission mechanic of add X unit becoming more common, it's going to be popular on the basis of it hitting a "YOU GET FREE SHIT" mental box, so I hope they exercise some caution with it lest we wind up on a slippery slope.
     
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  7. ldgif

    ldgif Well-Known Member
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    Oh yeah I think it is a pretty unique take, especially with the recent release of MBH, I just think their is a lot of hyperbole here for things that are unknown to a lot of the parties. I have already noticed future ITS’s I will participate in that have cherry picked their missions.
     
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  8. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    First I never attended a tournament where it wasn’t allowed to proxy.
    Second, if you don’t have a S4 model, you will find someone who borrow you one.

    That problem I have with many models I don’t like. And yes, that’s the reason I started to converting.
    Makes it the whole thing better. No! But it’s not a new problem.

    I’m ambiguous about that new ITS special too, but not cause you have to buy any Bike for it but for messing with the balance.
    Making rules for selling models smells to much like GW for my liking.
    But it’s not a buy to win mentality like GW has always played it, therefore I will enjoy this season, even if I have to buy more bikes.
    (General excuse for buying new models :wink:)
     
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  9. AmPm

    AmPm Well-Known Member

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    It's more or less GW practices of pushing models.

    Whatever, I think I have some I can pull from a bits box.
     
  10. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    You can definitely borrow some of my USARF bikes.
     
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  11. AmPm

    AmPm Well-Known Member

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    I think I have a few laying around. I might use a Zondnautica....
     
  12. FinalForm74

    FinalForm74 Two frogs, one dog

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    Well hello there
    Inb4 "it is optional/dont play it/proxy it"
     
  13. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Oh no! How dare a company offer us optional extras! Giving TOs a choice to run a narrative event based around escalating conflicts in the Kuhrland is literally the same thing as forcing every player at gunpoint to purchase a limited Kickstarter, that won't be delivered for at least a year, to attend any ITS tournament!
     
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  14. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    It doesn't say it's a narrative event, it says it'll be added for certain missions.
     
  15. Robock

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    I wish they'd made it a narrative event. But in my meta few players want to play these, so i can see why they'd force it into existing ITS missions.

    They do say will be added as an extra, but i've not seen any mission where you can chose to ignore an extra rule : like playing acquisition without bike recon; or annihilation without blizzard; or Biotechvore without No Quarter; or Capture and Protect without Intelcomm(Provision).

    So either the new extra rule will be in place for every tournament past april that have those standard missions. Or they'll add a new feature where you can chose to play with or without specific options. But then why add Snow Hunter to specific mission instead of just adding it at large and letting player chose which mission will have bonus Snow Hunter ?
     
  16. Brokenwolf

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    To be fair, Looting and Sabotage would be fairer if both sides got a TripHammer...
     
  17. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    It would? In what way? Triphammer is quite bad at harming the thing with higher risk of being stunned than it has of dealing damage.
     
  18. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    They're extras for certain missions, extras are optional in ITS, I know you know this. Why be so deliberately obtuse?

    Then there's the line right after saying they're being released as part of an Special Tournament/Event pack, which is often accompanied by a narrative campaign document. Which, again, you already know.
     
  19. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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  20. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Well-Known Member

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    Its free with two orders and can hit the AC 55% of the time. It is also a "Distraction Carnefex" that cannot be ignore and may allow the decent options to get to the target. I am not saying it is great, but it does give armies something...

    EDIT: To be clear, if the give it as an extra to L&S, I do not believe the mission would be less balanced...
     
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