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Is Vanilla Yu Jing viable?

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Zerooness, May 13, 2019.

  1. Aspect Graviton

    Aspect Graviton Friendly Alien Overlord
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    I agree with kuang shi being a crutch, I specifically played my first year of YJ without Kuang shi or monks, coming from a faction which at the time had the option of Morat vanguard or Seed soldiers I actually enjoyed playing Zhanshi as a cheap linetroop.
     
  2. IAGO242

    IAGO242 Executive Officer

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    Supremacy, Supplies, Engineering Deck──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4
    DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29) GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) DÀOFĚI Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 59) ZHÀNYING (Sensor) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nimbus Grenades, MadTraps / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 28)GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) MAJOR LUNAH Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29) TIGER SOLDIER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) 4 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army



    Armoury and Frostbyte──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4 CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20) XI ZHUANG Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, MadTraps / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 59)GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2
    HǍIDÀO Engineer Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28) YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) LÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21) WÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5) HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25) HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25) WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) 6 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army

    Asked about the lists in infinity Australia chat

    Lolstupid fuckingfacebook/forum, the code looks fine when I edit. When I post it the format is ducked. Sorry
     
  3. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    I got your back.

    It's the damn Army Mobile glitch, for whatever reason Mobile doesn't include the line break characters.


    And wow, those are disgusting lists.
     
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  4. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    Supremacy, Supplies, Engineering Deck
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4
    DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29)
    GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    GŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
    KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    DÀOFĚI Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 59)
    ZHÀNYING (Sensor) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nimbus Grenades, MadTraps / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 28)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    MAJOR LUNAH Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
    TIGER SOLDIER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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    Armoury and Frostbyte
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]4
    CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
    KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
    RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
    XI ZHUANG Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, MadTraps / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29)
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 59)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2
    HǍIDÀO Engineer Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    LÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
    WÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
    HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
    HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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  5. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    So, no surprise on using the Daoying LT2, the 4 Kuang Shi and some Monks.
    But the Assault Hacker on the Daofei and no "strong" attack pieces in list 1 is an interesting approach.
     
  6. Sedral

    Sedral Invincible Officier

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    Major lunah firing through nimbus can obliterate most targets, and a buffed husong can also do a lot of heavy lifting. Especially if there's a tiger soldier or a guilang to potentially alpha strike the fireteam.
     
  7. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    I know, but most things could be achieved more order efficient with a Daofei HMG or Spitfire and the SWCs are there. Quite curious to learn something new on the list decision though.
     
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  8. Azuset

    Azuset Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I looked at these lists and thought they where not inline with conventional Yu Jing list building.

    I as well would love to understand this approach more.
     
  9. fatherboxx

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    No Libertos is like playing with one hand behind your back, so these are not nearly ~disgusting~ compared to the shit that roams in the game these days

    Also glad someone else uses Haidao eng in vanilla, he is a great safe datatracker
     
  10. Space Ranger

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    Funny, it irks me that some of my favorite profiles are Mercs and not Yu Jing. Liberto, ABH, Lunah, Krakot.
     
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  11. zapp

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    Modern vanilla YJ is mercs + Kuang Shi + some HI imho.
     
  12. Section9

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    I really don't like the Kuang Shi, my usual vanilla YJ list has a pair of Guilang and usually a Daofei.
     
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  13. Proletarian

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    Those are my lists and yes they are super disgusting. I am on an upcoming episode of White Noise if you wanted to hear some of the rational behind the list choices. At this point they are undefeated across two tournaments, including NovaCore which was a 92 player event in Australia.

    The reason for the Daofei AHD over a spitfire or a HMG is that I generally run it super aggressively into my opponents DZ where the 0-8 range band actually comes into play, and in supplies and supremacy I wanted another midfield specialist which for the Dao Fei means the hacker profile. I don't feel like I ever lacked teeth with my army and certainly didn't regret my choices.
     
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  14. zapp

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    Looking forward to that episode. Some successful YJ players are rare in what I hear in the Podcast Meta.
     
  15. Azuset

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    What is the name of the Podcast episode and when will it be release?
     
  16. RobertShepherd

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    It will most likely be episode 86 or 87 of White Noise, with the episode title 'NovaCore'. :)
     
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    Looking forward to it, mate.

    Also there are opinions YJ tends to build into monotonous type; single Rambo (mostly HI) supported with Kuang Shi and some chaffs till points permit. I would like to hear your opinions about it!
     
  18. RobertShepherd

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    I'm the non YJ-playing host for the episode, so you'll want to tag @Proletarian in hopes of winkling out some of his much better opinions on the matter :)
     
  19. Leviathan

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    Hell yeah its viable, Guilang and Daofei are some of the best midfield skirmishers in the game, they have tons of decent specialists, some of the best AD around in the Tiger Soldiers, a really cheap order reserve, some fantastic rambos, and access to some truly excellent lieutenants.
     
  20. Proletarian

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    I discuss it briefly on the upcoming episode but I think that people view so called "chaff" in perhaps the wrong way. You can see in my lists above that I have max Kuang Shi in both, but that's not just for orders to fuel whatever rambo piece I have in the list. They are also a very valuable part of the list's defence and aggression. They guard corners really well because if you can't kill them dead they can either go dogged, or if you're close enough explode, and if you're on the offensive you can force some really bad choices on opponents by going after unlinked troopers. If they choose to shoot they run the risk of you exploding, and if they dodge your pistols are hitting on 14s still so certainly not bad.

    To answer you actual question, No I don't think that's the only way to play them. There are a lot of very cost efficient profiles in the mid tier range, like the ru shi, lu duan, tiger soldiers and the guilang. Even their cheaper troops can trade up impressively well, like the aforementioned kuang shi and my personal favourite, the monks. My second list got more work out of the two attack remotes than the su jian, who in all of my practice games never even left the deployment zone.
     
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